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If you don't give any merit to a majority vote, why should relevance be given to your singular opinion? Seems like a double standard honestly.

by dvdfvo 11y ago

GlickWick 11y ago
I think you're missing the point entirely. I'm not saying my opinion matters, I'm just pointing out that this thread is definitely not supposed to be on HN, as is defined by the rules of the website. I'm not positing an opinion, I'm arguing for a fact.
- dvdfvo 11y ago
  The only fact here is that this is on the front page. However your opinion is that it shouldn't be. By the majority vote, you are wrong.
  - GlickWick 11y ago
    No, the rules state that this post should not be here. You're conflating opinion and fact. Please stop. Majority vote does not dictate fact. HN is not a "anything and everything can be on the front page of the community votes it as such" site like Reddit is.
    - ceejayoz 11y ago
      What rule is this violating? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html says "anything that good hackers would find interesting" is on-topic, which clearly enough "good hackers" do given the upvotes. The "most stories about politics" clearly doesn't say "all stories about politics", and this one has a lot of relevance to the tech world. Meanwhile, you're definitely breaking the "Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site." rule.
      - GlickWick 11y ago
        > Meanwhile, you're definitely breaking the "Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site." rule. I'm actually replying to a discussion started about flagging.
        dvdfvo 11y ago
        By complaining that the submission is inappropriate: GlickWick: I'm unclear as to how this thread is legitimate, personally. Doesn't seem to really fit with HN. I'm no fan of the Patriot Act either, but this belongs somewhere like Reddit.
        GlickWick 11y ago
        Which was in reply to a question about why the thread was being flagged. This was not an unprompted complaint about an inappropriate submission, this was a reply to a question.
        dvdfvo 11y ago
        You were still breaking the rules.
        GlickWick 11y ago
        That is not true. If a user asks a question about the rules or the validity of a post/flagging, it's fine to discuss. You don't like the fact that I'm criticizing this thread, which is fine, but stop trying to cherry-pick silly reasons to discredit what I'm saying. It's having the opposite effect of what you intended anyways.
        dvdfvo 11y ago
        Yes it is. That is just your opinion. Rules are clear on this: Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site. As you can see, no additional caveats are listed. Therefore you, by responding to a comment which was about incorrect flagging, complained about inappropriate submissions, directly violated the rules. Your last paragraph is basically just ad-hominem. I'm ending this "discussion" here and will not be reading your inevitable further comments.
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  > I'm just pointing out that this thread is definitely not supposed to be on HN, as is defined by the rules of the website. The applicable "rules" (actually, they are labeled "guidelines" [0] for good reason) can be viewed as either supporting or opposing it. Specifically, one could view it as on-topic as falling within "anything that good hackers would find interesting." (Section 215 surveillance clearly has a special interest within the "hacker" culture, which is more plugged into it than the general population), or as probably off-topic because "If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic." > I'm not positing an opinion, I'm arguing for a fact. You are positing your interpretation of the application of rules which are fuzzy and inherently subjective as "fact", and where the only things in the rules that would support your conclusion are hedged with "most" or "probably". Your suggestion that the HN guidelines can reasonably be read in a way in which the topic here would be unequivocally, factually off-topic is an untenable argument. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html -- under "What to Submit".

If you don't give any merit to a majority vote, why should relevance be given to your singular opinion? Seems like a double standard honestly.

by dvdfvo 11y ago

If you don't give any merit to a majority vote, why should relevance be given to your singular opinion? Seems like a double standard honestly.

GlickWick 11y ago

I think you're missing the point entirely. I'm not saying my opinion matters, I'm just pointing out that this thread is definitely not supposed to be on HN, as is defined by the rules of the website. I'm not positing an opinion, I'm arguing for a fact.

dvdfvo 11y ago
The only fact here is that this is on the front page. However your opinion is that it shouldn't be. By the majority vote, you are wrong.
- GlickWick 11y ago
  No, the rules state that this post should not be here. You're conflating opinion and fact. Please stop. Majority vote does not dictate fact. HN is not a "anything and everything can be on the front page of the community votes it as such" site like Reddit is.
  - ceejayoz 11y ago
    What rule is this violating? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html says "anything that good hackers would find interesting" is on-topic, which clearly enough "good hackers" do given the upvotes. The "most stories about politics" clearly doesn't say "all stories about politics", and this one has a lot of relevance to the tech world. Meanwhile, you're definitely breaking the "Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site." rule.
    - GlickWick 11y ago
      > Meanwhile, you're definitely breaking the "Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site." rule. I'm actually replying to a discussion started about flagging.
      - dvdfvo 11y ago
        By complaining that the submission is inappropriate: GlickWick: I'm unclear as to how this thread is legitimate, personally. Doesn't seem to really fit with HN. I'm no fan of the Patriot Act either, but this belongs somewhere like Reddit.
        GlickWick 11y ago
        Which was in reply to a question about why the thread was being flagged. This was not an unprompted complaint about an inappropriate submission, this was a reply to a question.
        dvdfvo 11y ago
        You were still breaking the rules.
        GlickWick 11y ago
        That is not true. If a user asks a question about the rules or the validity of a post/flagging, it's fine to discuss. You don't like the fact that I'm criticizing this thread, which is fine, but stop trying to cherry-pick silly reasons to discredit what I'm saying. It's having the opposite effect of what you intended anyways.
        dvdfvo 11y ago
        Yes it is. That is just your opinion. Rules are clear on this: Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site. As you can see, no additional caveats are listed. Therefore you, by responding to a comment which was about incorrect flagging, complained about inappropriate submissions, directly violated the rules. Your last paragraph is basically just ad-hominem. I'm ending this "discussion" here and will not be reading your inevitable further comments.
dragonwriter 11y ago
> I'm just pointing out that this thread is definitely not supposed to be on HN, as is defined by the rules of the website. The applicable "rules" (actually, they are labeled "guidelines" [0] for good reason) can be viewed as either supporting or opposing it. Specifically, one could view it as on-topic as falling within "anything that good hackers would find interesting." (Section 215 surveillance clearly has a special interest within the "hacker" culture, which is more plugged into it than the general population), or as probably off-topic because "If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic." > I'm not positing an opinion, I'm arguing for a fact. You are positing your interpretation of the application of rules which are fuzzy and inherently subjective as "fact", and where the only things in the rules that would support your conclusion are hedged with "most" or "probably". Your suggestion that the HN guidelines can reasonably be read in a way in which the topic here would be unequivocally, factually off-topic is an untenable argument. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html -- under "What to Submit".