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Linux doesn't technically come with those either; they're all separate programs that distributions happen to include. Windows has an SSH-like framework for Pow

by pionar 11y ago

Linux doesn't technically come with those either; they're all separate programs that distributions happen to include. Windows has an SSH-like framework for PowerShell[1]. One could argue that Linux doesn't ship with tools for connecting to non-Linux hosts, so why should Windows ship with tools for connecting to Linux hosts? It will have package management in Windows 10 [2]. Powershell can get the hash of a file in many different algorithms. [1] https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/ff700227.aspx https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/ff700227.aspx [2] https://github.com/OneGet/oneget https://github.com/OneGet/oneget

c22 11y ago
> Linux doesn't technically come with those either; they're all separate programs that distributions happen to include. But isn't Windows more like "a distribution of Linux" than "the bare Linux kernel"? When I choose to trust a distribution of Linux (or a BSD or any other complete operating system) I extend that trust to the ecosystem's package manager which usually includes mechanisms for verification. Downloading putty is not a case of trying to connect to a Linux host, though, and SSH is not a linux-only (or even linux originated) protocol. I was just looking at OneGet and it seems like a huge boon to the Windows ecosystem. From my limited research Windows 10 looks pretty nice and is the first version since XP that I may be interested in using.
toyg 11y ago
> One could argue that Linux doesn't ship with tools for connecting to non-Linux hosts Except it does, to the extent that vendors make it possible: any repository will have at least one RDP client of sort (probably half-baked, because the protocol is what it is), and Samba is standard fare. Almost any other OS supports SSH, so yeah, Linux in fact does ship with tools to connect to non-Linux hosts, and plenty of them. (Btw, connecting Windows to NFS shares out of the box is much harder than connecting Linux oob to SMB shares...) If there is one thing that would help Microsoft immensely, in their attempts at gaining some traction "in the cloud", is out-of-the-box SSH support. Powershell might be nice but it will never work on anything that is not Windows, so it's fundamentally useless for remote work.

by pionar 11y ago

c22 11y ago

> Linux doesn't technically come with those either; they're all separate programs that distributions happen to include. But isn't Windows more like "a distribution of Linux" than "the bare Linux kernel"? When I choose to trust a distribution of Linux (or a BSD or any other complete operating system) I extend that trust to the ecosystem's package manager which usually includes mechanisms for verification. Downloading putty is not a case of trying to connect to a Linux host, though, and SSH is not a linux-only (or even linux originated) protocol. I was just looking at OneGet and it seems like a huge boon to the Windows ecosystem. From my limited research Windows 10 looks pretty nice and is the first version since XP that I may be interested in using.

toyg 11y ago

> One could argue that Linux doesn't ship with tools for connecting to non-Linux hosts Except it does, to the extent that vendors make it possible: any repository will have at least one RDP client of sort (probably half-baked, because the protocol is what it is), and Samba is standard fare. Almost any other OS supports SSH, so yeah, Linux in fact does ship with tools to connect to non-Linux hosts, and plenty of them. (Btw, connecting Windows to NFS shares out of the box is much harder than connecting Linux oob to SMB shares...) If there is one thing that would help Microsoft immensely, in their attempts at gaining some traction "in the cloud", is out-of-the-box SSH support. Powershell might be nice but it will never work on anything that is not Windows, so it's fundamentally useless for remote work.