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I have no intention of ever traveling in an autonomous road vehicle. So the GP's question stands: why should I have to pay for Tesla's firmware bugs?

toomuchtodo 11y ago
You're under the assumption you'll still be able to afford insurance for a non-autonomous vehicle, something I find unlikely if self driving cars are as safe as they've already proven to be in the million+ miles they've driven. Use of self driving cars hockeysticks-># of human drivers plummets->premiums skyrocket for remaining human drivers.
- maxerickson 11y ago
  Right now, in a lot of states, you can just post a bond in place of having insurance. It also might work out that self driving vehicles end up reducing the rates for human drivers. I think a lot of road risk actually comes from a small pool of drivers, who will tend to be the most eager to stop insuring themselves. So even if if the pool of human drivers shrinks a lot, the risk involved could lead to lower rates than we see today.
- fredkbloggs 11y ago
  You do realise that 1 million miles is an infinitesimal sample size, right? According to the US DOT, in the past 12 months vehicles have traveled just over 3 trillion miles on US roads[0]. It's also worth mentioning that substantially all of those autonomous miles were on freeways, which also happen to be the safest roads for human drivers. It's simply not possible to draw any meaningful conclusion from such a data point. [0] http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/DOT-Miles-Traveled.php http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/DOT-Miles-...
  - toomuchtodo 11y ago
    We don't have to quibble on data points; autonomous vehicles will continue to get better, at a faster rate than humans can get better at driving (or actually, you know, concentrate on it instead of eating, using their cellphone, texting, and so on). Humans aren't obsolete yet, but we're well on our way.
    - fredkbloggs 11y ago
      We'll have to agree to disagree. You can put your life in the hands of firmware and I can stay home, and we'll see who lives longest.
      - toomuchtodo 11y ago
        I put my life in the hands of firmware every time I fly, at 500mph in commercial aircraft. Hundreds of thousands of miles, seems to have worked fine.

toomuchtodo 11y ago

You're under the assumption you'll still be able to afford insurance for a non-autonomous vehicle, something I find unlikely if self driving cars are as safe as they've already proven to be in the million+ miles they've driven. Use of self driving cars hockeysticks-># of human drivers plummets->premiums skyrocket for remaining human drivers.

maxerickson 11y ago
Right now, in a lot of states, you can just post a bond in place of having insurance. It also might work out that self driving vehicles end up reducing the rates for human drivers. I think a lot of road risk actually comes from a small pool of drivers, who will tend to be the most eager to stop insuring themselves. So even if if the pool of human drivers shrinks a lot, the risk involved could lead to lower rates than we see today.
fredkbloggs 11y ago
You do realise that 1 million miles is an infinitesimal sample size, right? According to the US DOT, in the past 12 months vehicles have traveled just over 3 trillion miles on US roads[0]. It's also worth mentioning that substantially all of those autonomous miles were on freeways, which also happen to be the safest roads for human drivers. It's simply not possible to draw any meaningful conclusion from such a data point. [0] http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/DOT-Miles-Traveled.php http://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/DOT-Miles-...
- toomuchtodo 11y ago
  We don't have to quibble on data points; autonomous vehicles will continue to get better, at a faster rate than humans can get better at driving (or actually, you know, concentrate on it instead of eating, using their cellphone, texting, and so on). Humans aren't obsolete yet, but we're well on our way.
  - fredkbloggs 11y ago
    We'll have to agree to disagree. You can put your life in the hands of firmware and I can stay home, and we'll see who lives longest.
    - toomuchtodo 11y ago
      I put my life in the hands of firmware every time I fly, at 500mph in commercial aircraft. Hundreds of thousands of miles, seems to have worked fine.