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Is anyone else here mad that Apple has time for these gimicks but can't get their software fixed? Lion to Yosemite was a big regression and I don't mean the UI.

by emsy 11y ago

lpsz 11y ago
I see these "OS X is getting worse" posts from time to time but it doesn't match my experience. Care to elaborate?
- emsy 11y ago
  Unreliable Standby mode. Upon waking up, peripherals won't work until reboot, the Dock is unresponsive, applications crash and more. Overall stability. I've never had so many system freezes and crashes than with Yosemite. It started with the upgrade progress that crashed on me and even a fresh reinstall didn't help. On Lion, I let my machine run for serveral weeks without any problem. Now I have to reboot at least once a week because the kernel is working on something that seems like bitcoin mining from the looks of the cpu load. Rebooting shows a black screen for 2 minutes and I often thought thank god I have a backup because my filesystem got screwed up (it didn't but apparently that's also a problem for some people). Applications not quitting, Dock locking up, Finder unresponsive, drives not showing up in Diskutil. WiFi not working or working extremely slow. This even happens when I'm connected via cable and I turn WiFi on. Suddenly I have a really slow network connection. The WiFi issues even occur on iOS devices (not mine, but some of my family members) These are not minor annoyances. This stuff keeps me from working and gives me an extremely poor user experience. In fact it's the first time in years I'm looking forward to a Windows release. And of course there are some smaller things like Removing features from applications, for example the whole scripting part of iWorks. From the hostname, it seems like I run a few thousand Macs in my network.
  - lpsz 11y ago
    Yikes, that does sound terrible -- makes me wish you had a more positive experience since it really should all work. I wonder if it's CPU/hardware specific? Data point re: Wi-Fi, though: I've seen friends experience Wi-fi issues on their Airs as of one recent update, but never have them myself on my 2011 Air (that I use heavily for coding and graphics work.)
    - emsy 11y ago
      It might be hardware specific, because I don't experience the bootup problems and WiFi issues on my Mac Mini.
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laichzeit0 11y ago
People get mad when there's a "stability" release because there's no new features. People get mad when there's a release full of new features and it's not stable. Rumour is that this will be a stability release for iOS 9 (presumably OS X as well?) [1]. I guess now everyone will be mad that there's no new features. [1] http://www.macrumors.com/2015/02/09/ios-9-stability-optimization-focus/ http://www.macrumors.com/2015/02/09/ios-9-stability-optimiza...
- kalleboo 11y ago
  People only get mad about paying for a stability release (Snow Leopard cost $30, Mountain Lion $20)
dilap 11y ago
I get frustrated by the bugs too, but honestly, the last (fairly) bug-free Mac OS was pre-X (and obviously, that was way simpler). Try going back and reading early Daring Fireball. It's all complaining about how everything is broken and Apple quality has fallen off a cliff. I think pretty much most (all?) user-facing software nowadays is buggy and broken. Hopefully it'll slowly improve as features settle into place, and maybe we figure out better languages and processes...
- emsy 11y ago
  Yosemite and Mavericks really are a major regression. I' confident that I'm onto something if even known Mac enthusiasts like the ATP people report on the quality fall.

Is anyone else here mad that Apple has time for these gimicks but can't get their software fixed? Lion to Yosemite was a big regression and I don't mean the UI.

by emsy 11y ago

Is anyone else here mad that Apple has time for these gimicks but can't get their software fixed? Lion to Yosemite was a big regression and I don't mean the UI.

lpsz 11y ago

I see these "OS X is getting worse" posts from time to time but it doesn't match my experience. Care to elaborate?

emsy 11y ago
Unreliable Standby mode. Upon waking up, peripherals won't work until reboot, the Dock is unresponsive, applications crash and more. Overall stability. I've never had so many system freezes and crashes than with Yosemite. It started with the upgrade progress that crashed on me and even a fresh reinstall didn't help. On Lion, I let my machine run for serveral weeks without any problem. Now I have to reboot at least once a week because the kernel is working on something that seems like bitcoin mining from the looks of the cpu load. Rebooting shows a black screen for 2 minutes and I often thought thank god I have a backup because my filesystem got screwed up (it didn't but apparently that's also a problem for some people). Applications not quitting, Dock locking up, Finder unresponsive, drives not showing up in Diskutil. WiFi not working or working extremely slow. This even happens when I'm connected via cable and I turn WiFi on. Suddenly I have a really slow network connection. The WiFi issues even occur on iOS devices (not mine, but some of my family members) These are not minor annoyances. This stuff keeps me from working and gives me an extremely poor user experience. In fact it's the first time in years I'm looking forward to a Windows release. And of course there are some smaller things like Removing features from applications, for example the whole scripting part of iWorks. From the hostname, it seems like I run a few thousand Macs in my network.
- lpsz 11y ago
  Yikes, that does sound terrible -- makes me wish you had a more positive experience since it really should all work. I wonder if it's CPU/hardware specific? Data point re: Wi-Fi, though: I've seen friends experience Wi-fi issues on their Airs as of one recent update, but never have them myself on my 2011 Air (that I use heavily for coding and graphics work.)
  - emsy 11y ago
    It might be hardware specific, because I don't experience the bootup problems and WiFi issues on my Mac Mini.
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laichzeit0 11y ago

People get mad when there's a "stability" release because there's no new features. People get mad when there's a release full of new features and it's not stable. Rumour is that this will be a stability release for iOS 9 (presumably OS X as well?) [1]. I guess now everyone will be mad that there's no new features. [1] http://www.macrumors.com/2015/02/09/ios-9-stability-optimization-focus/ http://www.macrumors.com/2015/02/09/ios-9-stability-optimiza...

kalleboo 11y ago
People only get mad about paying for a stability release (Snow Leopard cost $30, Mountain Lion $20)

dilap 11y ago

I get frustrated by the bugs too, but honestly, the last (fairly) bug-free Mac OS was pre-X (and obviously, that was way simpler). Try going back and reading early Daring Fireball. It's all complaining about how everything is broken and Apple quality has fallen off a cliff. I think pretty much most (all?) user-facing software nowadays is buggy and broken. Hopefully it'll slowly improve as features settle into place, and maybe we figure out better languages and processes...

emsy 11y ago
Yosemite and Mavericks really are a major regression. I' confident that I'm onto something if even known Mac enthusiasts like the ATP people report on the quality fall.