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Apple Debuts New 15-Inch MacBook Pro and $1,999 27-Inch Retina iMac
- ajaimk 11y agoStill no Broadwell
- sjwright 11y agoNot much of a downside, as Broadwell is only a very marginal improvement over Haswell.
- Yaggo 11y agoStill no adequate amount of RAM.
- zaroth 11y agoReally? 16GB combined with the PCIe swap really does seem like it would meet the definition of "adequate" for 95% of users.
- russell_h 11y agoIt seems that you can upgrade to 32GB as well (update: replies are correct, I seem to have imagined this, both models are still limited to 16GB). My fear is that this means Apple believes Skylake is delayed, since they'll presumably want to do another release early during that cycle.
- zaroth 11y agoI do not see a 32GB option on their site.
- msluyter 11y agoIt seems that you can upgrade to 32GB as well. For the iMac, yes, but apparently not for the Macbook Pros. See: http://store.apple.com/us/buy-mac/macbook-pro?product=MJLT2LL/A&step=config# http://store.apple.com/us/buy-mac/macbook-pro?product=MJLT2L...
- intendedeffect 11y agoMaybe wishful thinking, but I don't think this is bad news for Skylake. It's just a token refresh, but it also gets Force Touch into the 15" Pro ahead of a WWDC where FT APIs for 10.11 and iOS 9 will presumably be topics of discussion. It might actually mean Skylake is right on time: people would also be ticked off if they bought what looked like a bigger update (i.e. to Broadwell) and then a redesigned Skylake model appeared just months later.
- rbanffy 11y agoMind if I ask what are you doing with your RAM? I am right now running half a dozen VMs (I'm doing some tests of network management software) and I can see a healthy margin of free memory before the machine will start to swap. I'm under Linux, but I have used similar workloads under Yosemite on a similarly configured Mac. If this laptop could go to 16 gigs (it was an emergency purchase after its 16 gig predecessor was stolen) I wouldn't even bother to check its memory.
- Yaggo 11y agoWhat the user does with the ram does not really matter. 16 GB is baseline nowadays and the price difference between 16 and 32 GB is minimal. So it's perfectly valid for power user to want at least 32 GB RAM (personally I would happily pay for 64 GB). My original comment concerned Macbook Pro with its stupid 16 GB RAM limit (remember, it's the ultimate top-of-the-line portable power workstation from Apple).
- mu_killnine 11y agoFrustrating that Apple is basically down to 2 SKUs. When I picked up my MBP in late 2013, I could change the memory, ssd, and gpu. Now, if you want the updated GPU, you _must_ get the 512GB SSD (something I don't need). There's really only a $2K and $2.5K price point now.
- jessriedel 11y agoThe cost of the hardware options doesn't reflect the marginal cost of the hardware at all. It's just a price discrimination mechanism, which is why there is so much bundling.
- 0x0 11y agoIs this switch from Nvidia to AMD new in this generation? I'm so glad I got in on an nvidia based rmbp in 2013. I've had nothing but trouble with amd graphics across 3-4 older laptops running windows and linux. Never again.
- morley 11y agoiMacs have been shipping with ATI/AMD cards since 2009: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_(Intel-based)#Unibody_iMac http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_(Intel-based)#Unibody_iMac
- Shivetya 11y agoThey did ship just prior to the Retina models with Nvidia graphics which many found to be more stable and better performing; the one on my desk has a 4g 780m chipset having moved off the 6870ATI set I had earlier. I guess its one of those back and forth battles between the two little guys and Intel. Intel never has offered an integrated system with any gaming performance but it does not seem many care.
- dman 11y agoRecent amd drivers have been really good on both Linux and Windows - give them a try sometime.
- 0x0 11y agoYou know, they kept saying the same thing way back when I still gave them second chances. But they never delivered on their promise, over and over. :(
- muraiki 11y agoI haven't had problems with AMD drivers on Windows, but on Linux I tried the AMD proprietary driver recently based on hearing good things. The version in Ubuntu 14.04 had noticeable tearing when scrolling, and Team Fortress 2 froze my computer. So I tried using the beta driver from AMD, and it broke things seemingly beyond repair (I spent hours going through suggestions on Stack Overflow). So to those who are considering trying it out, try it with caution!
- warfangle 11y agoThe only thing this new MacBook Pro has over the Chromebook Pixel (LS) is OSX (iffy as a positive with the availability of Chrubuntu), a better graphics chip, and more hard drive space. Not sure that's worth $700...
- soylentcola 11y agoAs always, it depends on what you want to use it for. I say this even as a borderline Apple "hater" but if you want to use the notebook for running Office or the Adobe suite or any number of OSX- (or even Windows-) only software, running the Chromebook OS or Chrubuntu won't get you what you need, regardless of savings. Not saying I'd personally shell out for a MBP (because there's nothing I need that is OSX-only) but most of my applications need at least OSX or Windows to run.
- warfangle 11y agoWell, it will if you run a VM :) I still don't see the $700 difference.
- ebiester 11y agohttp://thenextweb.com/google/2015/05/17/i-switched-from-a-macbook-pro-to-a-chromebook-pixel-2-heres-what-happened/ http://thenextweb.com/google/2015/05/17/i-switched-from-a-ma... doesn't inspire confidence in ChromeOS...
- Navarr 11y agoSounds a lot like the good ol' "the apps aren't there problem." The writer there loves it, but recognizes that if you're using the Office suite or need Photoshop it's obviously not going to work for you yet. Basically in one week the author realized that his existing workflow wouldn't transition exactly over to a different operating system, surprising nobody.
- warfangle 11y agoWhich is why I qualified with Chrubuntu.
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- jedrek 11y agoDoes that run OS X?
- Cshelton 11y agoI need a new magic track pad, was hoping they will release a new one with force touch soon. Anybody have information about that? Possibly a new keyboard as well with the wider spacing like the new macbook?
- seanalltogether 11y agolooking at anandtechs side by side comparison with the 2014 model, this isn't much a of a change. http://www.anandtech.com/show/9268/apple-announces-2015-15-retina-macbook-pro-cheaper-27-retina-imac http://www.anandtech.com/show/9268/apple-announces-2015-15-r...
- masklinn 11y agoRecap: * discrete NVidia 750M replaced by AMD R9 M370X * PCIe SSD 2x -> 4x * battery 95Wh -> 99.5 Wh * added force touch trackpad.
- Eric_WVGG 11y agoThe performance of those new SSDs is legit, though. Those drives even wallop the “trashcan” Mac Pros. http://barefeats.com/hard199.html http://barefeats.com/hard199.html But that said, with Skylake all but certain this fall, most folks would be well-advised to hold out.
- zerr 11y agoI wish there was an option for matte screen iMac...
- gdubs 11y agoThis is a valid point -- Matte used to be standard for design work and is still useful today. Gloss is nice but reflectivity and color accuracy can be problematic.
- fserb 11y agoI've been waiting to upgrade my Mid 2012 15" MPB Retina for a while. I bought the high end model at the time, and the difference between mine and the new version is basically: * 2.7Ghz -> 2.8Ghz * Nvidia GT 650M -> AMD R9 M370X * PICe SSD 2x -> 4x * Battery 95Wh -> 99.5Wh * force touch trackpad I'm not sure it's worth the price.
- obsurveyor 11y agoNot really trying to defend the specs here(AMD, yuck) but the CPU should be much faster than the one you have. It's not a straight 100MHz difference with all the processor changes between 2012 and 2015.
- toyg 11y agoThing is, there has been little "processor change". The new model still uses Haswell, which I think is barely 1-gen over the 2012 model.
- obsurveyor 11y agoAh, I thought Ivy Bridge was newer than 2012 but I guess it's been kicking around for quite awhile now.
- Allower 11y agoThanks for posting this. This is not an upgrade, this is the same old crap from two years ago with a little more polish
- plorkyeran 11y agoIvy Bridge to Haswell is a nice bump even at the same clock rate, but I'm in the same boat of having a three-year-old retina MBP and being thoroughly underwhelmed with the upgrades available.
- Cacti 11y agoClock speed by itself is no longer a relevant measuring stick for modern CPUs and this will continue to be the case for the foreseeable future.
- tomelders 11y agoInteresting that these were announced before WWDC. Apple clearly don't need any filler.
- hartator 11y agoKind of disappointment, they are still replacing NVidia chips by AMD. M370X, M290, M290X, M295X... AMD R9 series are known for overheating. M295X (The high end option for iMac) goes up to 105C under recent games and starts throttling. (The clock reduces to avoid melting introducing shutters and frame drops.)
- shiven 11y agoWhy the hell does Apple keep going with the SHITTIEST mobile GPU maker on the planet? I just cannot understand. But then again, I am only supposed to consume, not question, I guess... And I say this as a 2011 MBP user (yes, it has AMD graphics ... with pathetically awful OPENCL support from AMD or Apple). Apple, please just use nVidia (or heck, even Intel) and let AMD die the quiet and inglorious death it deserves.
- KaoruAoiShiho 11y agoProbably has to do with GPU licensing. Nvidia wants all GPU makers to pay up, and Apple is a customer of Imagination. Apple probably wants to punish Nv. Yet another example of apple putting its wallet before user experience.
- jnsaff2 11y agoFinally! "[Thunderbolt] Support for up to 5120 by 2160 resolution at 60Hz on a single external display (model with AMD Radeon R9 M370X only)"
- FireBeyond 11y agoMaybe, just maybe, that means Thunderbolt 5K Displays are coming. Maybe.
- pen2l 11y agoWait, what? But there is no model with AMD Radeon R9 M370X?
- Vitaly 11y agoWhere is my 27" retina display, damn it.