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Probably because you're missing the point?

by vernie 11y ago

jacquesm 11y ago
No I think it is because people are missing waterlesscloud's point: dropbox is the place to collaborate (or something like dropbox). Just like plenty of programmers collaborate on github and think of it as a place to collaborate.
- lotsofmangos 11y ago
  It is depressing. Networks are broken to the point where we have services resold back to us to provide the basic functionality that should be inherent in the protocol.
  - jacquesm 11y ago
    It is inherent in the protocol, but providers are more than happy to deny you the option to use your local connection to host services and NAT took away the peer-to-peer nature of the internet before it really took off. See: https://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/digital-imprimatur/ https://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/digital-imprimatur/ (prescient and very depressing read, but read it anyway if you haven't done so). UPNP and some other firewall traversal tricks restored some of that but asymmetric bandwidth is the norm these days. Maybe with IPv6 we'll see a reversal of these trends.
    - lotsofmangos 11y ago
      Exactly my point. Dropbox shoudn't even exist as a business model. edit - not crapping on dropbox particularly. Lots of things should be basic functionality by this point, sharing files being one of them. If stuff was more like plan9, for instance, things like skype wouldn't exist either.
      - tedunangst 11y ago
        Why should I be required to leave my computer on 24/7 to share files with some friends?
        nitrogen 11y ago
        Required? Perhaps not. But we "should" definitely have the option, and it should appear seamless on other devices with which we share files whether they're getting them from our own machines or from a private encrypted cloud cache.
        tedunangst 11y ago
        Isn't that exactly what ownCloud is?
        bduerst 11y ago
        You keep saying the word "should", but you're making a jump from what is (descriptive), to what ought to be (prescriptive). This is the is-ought problem, or hume's guillotine. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Essay:Is-Ought_Explained http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Essay:Is-Ought_Explained

Probably because you're missing the point?

by vernie 11y ago

Probably because you're missing the point?

No I think it is because people are missing waterlesscloud's point: dropbox is the place to collaborate (or something like dropbox). Just like plenty of programmers collaborate on github and think of it as a place to collaborate.

lotsofmangos 11y ago
It is depressing. Networks are broken to the point where we have services resold back to us to provide the basic functionality that should be inherent in the protocol.
- jacquesm 11y ago
  It is inherent in the protocol, but providers are more than happy to deny you the option to use your local connection to host services and NAT took away the peer-to-peer nature of the internet before it really took off. See: https://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/digital-imprimatur/ https://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/digital-imprimatur/ (prescient and very depressing read, but read it anyway if you haven't done so). UPNP and some other firewall traversal tricks restored some of that but asymmetric bandwidth is the norm these days. Maybe with IPv6 we'll see a reversal of these trends.
  - lotsofmangos 11y ago
    Exactly my point. Dropbox shoudn't even exist as a business model. edit - not crapping on dropbox particularly. Lots of things should be basic functionality by this point, sharing files being one of them. If stuff was more like plan9, for instance, things like skype wouldn't exist either.
    - tedunangst 11y ago
      Why should I be required to leave my computer on 24/7 to share files with some friends?
      - nitrogen 11y ago
        Required? Perhaps not. But we "should" definitely have the option, and it should appear seamless on other devices with which we share files whether they're getting them from our own machines or from a private encrypted cloud cache.
        tedunangst 11y ago
        Isn't that exactly what ownCloud is?
        bduerst 11y ago
        You keep saying the word "should", but you're making a jump from what is (descriptive), to what ought to be (prescriptive). This is the is-ought problem, or hume's guillotine. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Essay:Is-Ought_Explained http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Essay:Is-Ought_Explained