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I had a friend who always used to say he was going to kill himself. I too thought he was asking for attention until he drove his truck up the curb and took out

I had a friend who always used to say he was going to kill himself. I too thought he was asking for attention until he drove his truck up the curb and took out two light polls right outside my window. vaksel, you are wrong. Ps: he survived but I can assure you it was not an attention stunt. You would have had to see the accident scene to believe me

vaksel 17y ago
well I'm just approaching this from my own perspective. If I'm ever "driven" to suicide, I would never talk about it, who wants the embarrassment? You talk about it, and you end up in a nuthouse. So to me, the only ones who talk about suicide, are those who are just attention whoring. Honestly I don't see why anyone would want to go through suicide. That's like admitting you lost, that's admitting to the world, that you just couldn't take the pressure anymore. Screw that. If you think like killing yourself, at least put your death to good use. Go buy some guns, go grab some ammo, then go on a killing spree of all those people who screwed you over in life. You are already planning to kill yourself, what exactly do you have to lose? Then there is the whole legacy thing to consider. Noone remembers the suicides, they fade away from life, like they never existed. But go kill a few dozen people who screwed you over, and you might just get a round the clock news coverage. You don't remember the John Doe who offed himself with meds. But you remember the Cho kid from Virginia Tech, that programmer dude from PA who shot up that gym, that bulldozer tank guy who destroyed half the town. Basically, if you are going to off yourself anyways, why not take the bastards with you? Hell go steal a Ferrari while you are at it, go rob a bank, for once in your life you don't have to give a crap about consequences, for once in your life, you can live life to it's fullest. And yeah I know you guys will downvote the crap out of this, but I don't care, it's my philosophy on suicide. And to me it makes a whole lot more sense, than just killing yourself
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- sailormoon 17y ago
  The fact that you want to be remembered in a certain way shows that you still care. I understand that but it's more of a "revenge" kind of feeling. If something drove me to suicide, and I would certainly have to be driven to it, I'd also want to go out in a blaze of destructive glory. Well, I'd enjoy thinking about it, anyway. Many suicidal people, though, just want their suffering to end. They can't find any reason or meaning in continuing and don't really care about anything after they die. This guy seems to be the second type, and he's just tying up loose ends (thanking his readers) before he goes. Well, that's his right. I find it somewhat offensive that casual readers of news sites would presume to question his judgement. Maybe he will go through with it. Or maybe, faced with the reality of the act, he'll reconsider. Only he can have that realisation, only he can make that decision, and it's none of our damn business IMO.
- fnid 17y ago
  http://www.healthline.com/adamcontent/suicide-and-suicidal-behavior http://www.healthline.com/adamcontent/suicide-and-suicidal-b... *Critical signs: Direct or indirect threats to commit suicide I think what you are saying is not in-line with the expert opinion. Regardless of whether or not it is true, I do not believe it is, but I'm not an expert, saying it or trying to convince others to believe it so they don't do something to avert a suicide in the case where someone threatens it is morally reprehensible. The repercussion of you being wrong and someone listening to you is deadly. The repercussion of you being right and someone ignoring you could save a life. You really need to be careful how you talk. It's really quite disgusting what you have said here.
- rms 17y ago
  I would seriously recommend deleting this post. It is probably both the dumbest and most offensive thing I have ever read on this forum. If anyone else posted this, their account would be killed and I don't think you would be an exception. It is something "you can't say" and would be enough to have you forcefully committed if someone thought you were a danger to yourself or others. To address your original point: whether someone intends to go through with it or not, it should be appropriately interpreted as a cry of help. Who are we to ignore a cry for help?
  - vaksel 17y ago
    well let's see, the post is about suicide, and I'm discussing motivations behind it. So the way I read your comment, is that you are advocating for people to kill themselves quietly. Why would my account be killed(interesting choice of words btw, considering the thread). Can't there be a civil discussion about suicide? Why is that subject so taboo? Thinking like that is exactly why people take their lives without talking to anyone. Ok so it's a cry for help...what exactly did you do to address his cry for help? Did you email the guy? Did you call him? Did you track down people close to him and had them talk to him? Or did you just upvote the submission, thinking you did your civic duty?...Did you even do that? What EXACTLY did you do to "help"? Answer me that.
    - KC8ZKF 17y ago
      "at least put your death to good use. Go buy some guns, go grab some ammo, then go on a killing spree" This is what bothers me about your post. It's not the taboo of suicide, or your doubts that threats of suicide should be taken seriously. These are horrible sentiments, and I hope you don't mean a word of them.
      - sailormoon 17y ago
        Maybe he doesn't mean a word of them. But history is full, absolutely jam-packed, with examples of people seeking violent, terminal retribution for the injustices they perceive to have ruined their lives. Heard of a movie called Braveheart? Heard of a little comic book called V for Vendetta? Both examples of an aggrieved party fighting willingly to the death in an act of, essentially, revenge. This is a real human emotion and downvoting will not just make it go away. How about some rational counterarguments, such as the injustice of taking innocent people with you, or the long-term futility of such an approach. Pretty disappointing to see this kind of morally outraged pile-on here.
- jawngee 17y ago
  Why are you looking for logic in an illogical act? Why are you expecting clear thought processes when someone is in the depths of some very muddy thinking? I'm with RMS on this one. You claim you are "expressing your thoughts on suicide", but you really are only displaying your ignorance of how ill-equipped some people are at dealing with life - their fault or their parents - either way I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you live in a very walled off world.
- kyro 17y ago
  Right, so your advice to someone wanting to kill themselves is to make sure they kill others too. That's about the absolute stupidest piece of advice I have ever been unfortunate to read. The only person wanting attention here is you. No one wants to hear your philosophy on suicide right now. Not only is it baseless, it's dangerous, inappropriate, and irrelevant to the topic. You've pretty much devalued all 20k of your karma points with that, to me personally. Someone please delete this post. But don't bring others down with it!
- noonespecial 17y ago
  We're all going to die. Why not put our "deaths" to good use by being a dick while we're still alive? Really? We're defined by what we do in our lives (and to whom we do it) in the last minutes, and in all the years leading up to them. This idea of last minute anti-glory is as repugnant as it is ridiculous. If you wait until the last seconds of you life to be who you really are, all that shows is cowardice.
- Confusion 17y ago
  who wants the embarrassment? Problem one: you consider depression and disappointment with life to be embarrasing. If you ever end up feeling like that yourself, you will immediately start spiralling downwards, because not only do you feel bad: you feel bad about feeling bad. You talk about it, and you end up in a nuthouse. Problem two: you don't know what the hell you are talking about. People that are considering suicide are not usually institutionalized. That only happens if they are also deemed mentally ill, like when they are psychotic. Honestly I don't see why anyone would want to go through suicide. That's like admitting you lost, Problem three: you think you can define what is 'winning' and 'losing' in life and that those are the same for everyone. News flash: some people feel you cannot win in life, for instance because there isn't, by definition, anything worth striving for. If you think like killing yourself, at least put your death to good use. Go buy some guns, go grab some ammo, then go on a killing spree of all those people who screwed you over in life. Problem four: you think executing revenge is a good use of your life. Most people, even when considering suicide, disagree. Not liking this life does not suddenly change your moral opinion on murder. Problem five: you think people commit suicide because others 'screwed them over'. suicides, they fade away from life, like they never existed. But go kill a few dozen people who screwed you over, and you might just get a round the clock news coverage. Problem six: you think notoriety is important. Problem seven: you think notoriety is important to someone considering suicide. And yeah I know you guys will downvote the crap out of this, but I don't care, it's my philosophy on suicide. Problem eight: poisoning the well. Problem nine: thinking 'having a philosophy' entitles you taking a righteous attitude, completely failing to recognize you may be utterly wrong. In summary: you don't know what you are talking about, you are repeating the culturally entrenched values that are the brethren of those that actually drive people to suicide and you are blissfully unaware of the fact that people considering suicide do not think rationally anymore.

vaksel 17y ago

well I'm just approaching this from my own perspective. If I'm ever "driven" to suicide, I would never talk about it, who wants the embarrassment? You talk about it, and you end up in a nuthouse. So to me, the only ones who talk about suicide, are those who are just attention whoring. Honestly I don't see why anyone would want to go through suicide. That's like admitting you lost, that's admitting to the world, that you just couldn't take the pressure anymore. Screw that. If you think like killing yourself, at least put your death to good use. Go buy some guns, go grab some ammo, then go on a killing spree of all those people who screwed you over in life. You are already planning to kill yourself, what exactly do you have to lose? Then there is the whole legacy thing to consider. Noone remembers the suicides, they fade away from life, like they never existed. But go kill a few dozen people who screwed you over, and you might just get a round the clock news coverage. You don't remember the John Doe who offed himself with meds. But you remember the Cho kid from Virginia Tech, that programmer dude from PA who shot up that gym, that bulldozer tank guy who destroyed half the town. Basically, if you are going to off yourself anyways, why not take the bastards with you? Hell go steal a Ferrari while you are at it, go rob a bank, for once in your life you don't have to give a crap about consequences, for once in your life, you can live life to it's fullest. And yeah I know you guys will downvote the crap out of this, but I don't care, it's my philosophy on suicide. And to me it makes a whole lot more sense, than just killing yourself

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sailormoon 17y ago
The fact that you want to be remembered in a certain way shows that you still care. I understand that but it's more of a "revenge" kind of feeling. If something drove me to suicide, and I would certainly have to be driven to it, I'd also want to go out in a blaze of destructive glory. Well, I'd enjoy thinking about it, anyway. Many suicidal people, though, just want their suffering to end. They can't find any reason or meaning in continuing and don't really care about anything after they die. This guy seems to be the second type, and he's just tying up loose ends (thanking his readers) before he goes. Well, that's his right. I find it somewhat offensive that casual readers of news sites would presume to question his judgement. Maybe he will go through with it. Or maybe, faced with the reality of the act, he'll reconsider. Only he can have that realisation, only he can make that decision, and it's none of our damn business IMO.
fnid 17y ago
http://www.healthline.com/adamcontent/suicide-and-suicidal-behavior http://www.healthline.com/adamcontent/suicide-and-suicidal-b... *Critical signs: Direct or indirect threats to commit suicide I think what you are saying is not in-line with the expert opinion. Regardless of whether or not it is true, I do not believe it is, but I'm not an expert, saying it or trying to convince others to believe it so they don't do something to avert a suicide in the case where someone threatens it is morally reprehensible. The repercussion of you being wrong and someone listening to you is deadly. The repercussion of you being right and someone ignoring you could save a life. You really need to be careful how you talk. It's really quite disgusting what you have said here.
rms 17y ago
I would seriously recommend deleting this post. It is probably both the dumbest and most offensive thing I have ever read on this forum. If anyone else posted this, their account would be killed and I don't think you would be an exception. It is something "you can't say" and would be enough to have you forcefully committed if someone thought you were a danger to yourself or others. To address your original point: whether someone intends to go through with it or not, it should be appropriately interpreted as a cry of help. Who are we to ignore a cry for help?
- vaksel 17y ago
  well let's see, the post is about suicide, and I'm discussing motivations behind it. So the way I read your comment, is that you are advocating for people to kill themselves quietly. Why would my account be killed(interesting choice of words btw, considering the thread). Can't there be a civil discussion about suicide? Why is that subject so taboo? Thinking like that is exactly why people take their lives without talking to anyone. Ok so it's a cry for help...what exactly did you do to address his cry for help? Did you email the guy? Did you call him? Did you track down people close to him and had them talk to him? Or did you just upvote the submission, thinking you did your civic duty?...Did you even do that? What EXACTLY did you do to "help"? Answer me that.
  - KC8ZKF 17y ago
    "at least put your death to good use. Go buy some guns, go grab some ammo, then go on a killing spree" This is what bothers me about your post. It's not the taboo of suicide, or your doubts that threats of suicide should be taken seriously. These are horrible sentiments, and I hope you don't mean a word of them.
    - sailormoon 17y ago
      Maybe he doesn't mean a word of them. But history is full, absolutely jam-packed, with examples of people seeking violent, terminal retribution for the injustices they perceive to have ruined their lives. Heard of a movie called Braveheart? Heard of a little comic book called V for Vendetta? Both examples of an aggrieved party fighting willingly to the death in an act of, essentially, revenge. This is a real human emotion and downvoting will not just make it go away. How about some rational counterarguments, such as the injustice of taking innocent people with you, or the long-term futility of such an approach. Pretty disappointing to see this kind of morally outraged pile-on here.
jawngee 17y ago
Why are you looking for logic in an illogical act? Why are you expecting clear thought processes when someone is in the depths of some very muddy thinking? I'm with RMS on this one. You claim you are "expressing your thoughts on suicide", but you really are only displaying your ignorance of how ill-equipped some people are at dealing with life - their fault or their parents - either way I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you live in a very walled off world.
kyro 17y ago
Right, so your advice to someone wanting to kill themselves is to make sure they kill others too. That's about the absolute stupidest piece of advice I have ever been unfortunate to read. The only person wanting attention here is you. No one wants to hear your philosophy on suicide right now. Not only is it baseless, it's dangerous, inappropriate, and irrelevant to the topic. You've pretty much devalued all 20k of your karma points with that, to me personally. Someone please delete this post. But don't bring others down with it!
noonespecial 17y ago
We're all going to die. Why not put our "deaths" to good use by being a dick while we're still alive? Really? We're defined by what we do in our lives (and to whom we do it) in the last minutes, and in all the years leading up to them. This idea of last minute anti-glory is as repugnant as it is ridiculous. If you wait until the last seconds of you life to be who you really are, all that shows is cowardice.
Confusion 17y ago
who wants the embarrassment? Problem one: you consider depression and disappointment with life to be embarrasing. If you ever end up feeling like that yourself, you will immediately start spiralling downwards, because not only do you feel bad: you feel bad about feeling bad. You talk about it, and you end up in a nuthouse. Problem two: you don't know what the hell you are talking about. People that are considering suicide are not usually institutionalized. That only happens if they are also deemed mentally ill, like when they are psychotic. Honestly I don't see why anyone would want to go through suicide. That's like admitting you lost, Problem three: you think you can define what is 'winning' and 'losing' in life and that those are the same for everyone. News flash: some people feel you cannot win in life, for instance because there isn't, by definition, anything worth striving for. If you think like killing yourself, at least put your death to good use. Go buy some guns, go grab some ammo, then go on a killing spree of all those people who screwed you over in life. Problem four: you think executing revenge is a good use of your life. Most people, even when considering suicide, disagree. Not liking this life does not suddenly change your moral opinion on murder. Problem five: you think people commit suicide because others 'screwed them over'. suicides, they fade away from life, like they never existed. But go kill a few dozen people who screwed you over, and you might just get a round the clock news coverage. Problem six: you think notoriety is important. Problem seven: you think notoriety is important to someone considering suicide. And yeah I know you guys will downvote the crap out of this, but I don't care, it's my philosophy on suicide. Problem eight: poisoning the well. Problem nine: thinking 'having a philosophy' entitles you taking a righteous attitude, completely failing to recognize you may be utterly wrong. In summary: you don't know what you are talking about, you are repeating the culturally entrenched values that are the brethren of those that actually drive people to suicide and you are blissfully unaware of the fact that people considering suicide do not think rationally anymore.