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the people who threaten to commit suicide never go through it, especially the ones who threaten to do so publically and leave their email address. The whole "I'

by vaksel 17y ago

the people who threaten to commit suicide never go through it, especially the ones who threaten to do so publically and leave their email address. The whole "I'll take poison" and "I'll overdose on medicine" are the sure signs of a drama queen. It's the ones who never talk about it, that usually man up to pull the trigger. My guess is that either he is attention whoring, or he just got hacked(none of his other sites/profiles say this)

niels_olson 17y ago
Middle-aged men are the most likely to give advance warning, are the most likely to carry through with that plan, and have the highest completion rate, after doctors.
- mhansen 17y ago
  citation? [edit]: Thanks!
  - niels_olson 17y ago
    yeah, I kind of knew this crowd would want that. I'm looking . . . Males more likely to complete http://www.afsp.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.viewPage&page_id=04ECB949-C3D9-5FFA-DA9C65C381BAAEC0 http://www.afsp.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.viewPage&p... Males much more likely to complete, and docs most likely: http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/352/24/2473 http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/352/24/2473 males more likely (also, unemployed, ill, and single more likely) http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/full/177/6/484 http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/full/177/6/484 middle-aged more likely http://www.afsp.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.viewPage&page_id=04EB7CD1-9EED-9712-89C9540AFCB44481 http://www.afsp.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.viewPage&p... however, predicting suicide is still difficult: http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/48/5/418 http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/48/5/418 Basically, middle-aged guy says he's going to commit suicide, that's one where you have to prove he won't. If he walked into the ER while I'm on, he's getting admitted.
- wgj 17y ago
  Also, suicide is more common in Japan, and viewed differently by Japanese society: "Suicide has never been criminalized in Japan. Japanese society's attitude toward suicide has been termed "tolerant", and on many occasions a suicide is seen as a morally responsible action." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Japan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Japan
todd3834 17y ago
I had a friend who always used to say he was going to kill himself. I too thought he was asking for attention until he drove his truck up the curb and took out two light polls right outside my window. vaksel, you are wrong. Ps: he survived but I can assure you it was not an attention stunt. You would have had to see the accident scene to believe me
- vaksel 17y ago
  well I'm just approaching this from my own perspective. If I'm ever "driven" to suicide, I would never talk about it, who wants the embarrassment? You talk about it, and you end up in a nuthouse. So to me, the only ones who talk about suicide, are those who are just attention whoring. Honestly I don't see why anyone would want to go through suicide. That's like admitting you lost, that's admitting to the world, that you just couldn't take the pressure anymore. Screw that. If you think like killing yourself, at least put your death to good use. Go buy some guns, go grab some ammo, then go on a killing spree of all those people who screwed you over in life. You are already planning to kill yourself, what exactly do you have to lose? Then there is the whole legacy thing to consider. Noone remembers the suicides, they fade away from life, like they never existed. But go kill a few dozen people who screwed you over, and you might just get a round the clock news coverage. You don't remember the John Doe who offed himself with meds. But you remember the Cho kid from Virginia Tech, that programmer dude from PA who shot up that gym, that bulldozer tank guy who destroyed half the town. Basically, if you are going to off yourself anyways, why not take the bastards with you? Hell go steal a Ferrari while you are at it, go rob a bank, for once in your life you don't have to give a crap about consequences, for once in your life, you can live life to it's fullest. And yeah I know you guys will downvote the crap out of this, but I don't care, it's my philosophy on suicide. And to me it makes a whole lot more sense, than just killing yourself
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  - sailormoon 17y ago
    The fact that you want to be remembered in a certain way shows that you still care. I understand that but it's more of a "revenge" kind of feeling. If something drove me to suicide, and I would certainly have to be driven to it, I'd also want to go out in a blaze of destructive glory. Well, I'd enjoy thinking about it, anyway. Many suicidal people, though, just want their suffering to end. They can't find any reason or meaning in continuing and don't really care about anything after they die. This guy seems to be the second type, and he's just tying up loose ends (thanking his readers) before he goes. Well, that's his right. I find it somewhat offensive that casual readers of news sites would presume to question his judgement. Maybe he will go through with it. Or maybe, faced with the reality of the act, he'll reconsider. Only he can have that realisation, only he can make that decision, and it's none of our damn business IMO.
_pius 17y ago
I guess I don't see the point of your comment. What's the upside of you discouraging people from taking this seriously? The potential downside is rather obvious ...

by vaksel 17y ago

niels_olson 17y ago

Middle-aged men are the most likely to give advance warning, are the most likely to carry through with that plan, and have the highest completion rate, after doctors.

mhansen 17y ago
citation? [edit]: Thanks!
- niels_olson 17y ago
  yeah, I kind of knew this crowd would want that. I'm looking . . . Males more likely to complete http://www.afsp.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.viewPage&page_id=04ECB949-C3D9-5FFA-DA9C65C381BAAEC0 http://www.afsp.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.viewPage&p... Males much more likely to complete, and docs most likely: http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/352/24/2473 http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/352/24/2473 males more likely (also, unemployed, ill, and single more likely) http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/full/177/6/484 http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/full/177/6/484 middle-aged more likely http://www.afsp.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.viewPage&page_id=04EB7CD1-9EED-9712-89C9540AFCB44481 http://www.afsp.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.viewPage&p... however, predicting suicide is still difficult: http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/48/5/418 http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/48/5/418 Basically, middle-aged guy says he's going to commit suicide, that's one where you have to prove he won't. If he walked into the ER while I'm on, he's getting admitted.
wgj 17y ago
Also, suicide is more common in Japan, and viewed differently by Japanese society: "Suicide has never been criminalized in Japan. Japanese society's attitude toward suicide has been termed "tolerant", and on many occasions a suicide is seen as a morally responsible action." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Japan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_Japan

todd3834 17y ago

I had a friend who always used to say he was going to kill himself. I too thought he was asking for attention until he drove his truck up the curb and took out two light polls right outside my window. vaksel, you are wrong. Ps: he survived but I can assure you it was not an attention stunt. You would have had to see the accident scene to believe me

vaksel 17y ago
well I'm just approaching this from my own perspective. If I'm ever "driven" to suicide, I would never talk about it, who wants the embarrassment? You talk about it, and you end up in a nuthouse. So to me, the only ones who talk about suicide, are those who are just attention whoring. Honestly I don't see why anyone would want to go through suicide. That's like admitting you lost, that's admitting to the world, that you just couldn't take the pressure anymore. Screw that. If you think like killing yourself, at least put your death to good use. Go buy some guns, go grab some ammo, then go on a killing spree of all those people who screwed you over in life. You are already planning to kill yourself, what exactly do you have to lose? Then there is the whole legacy thing to consider. Noone remembers the suicides, they fade away from life, like they never existed. But go kill a few dozen people who screwed you over, and you might just get a round the clock news coverage. You don't remember the John Doe who offed himself with meds. But you remember the Cho kid from Virginia Tech, that programmer dude from PA who shot up that gym, that bulldozer tank guy who destroyed half the town. Basically, if you are going to off yourself anyways, why not take the bastards with you? Hell go steal a Ferrari while you are at it, go rob a bank, for once in your life you don't have to give a crap about consequences, for once in your life, you can live life to it's fullest. And yeah I know you guys will downvote the crap out of this, but I don't care, it's my philosophy on suicide. And to me it makes a whole lot more sense, than just killing yourself
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- sailormoon 17y ago
  The fact that you want to be remembered in a certain way shows that you still care. I understand that but it's more of a "revenge" kind of feeling. If something drove me to suicide, and I would certainly have to be driven to it, I'd also want to go out in a blaze of destructive glory. Well, I'd enjoy thinking about it, anyway. Many suicidal people, though, just want their suffering to end. They can't find any reason or meaning in continuing and don't really care about anything after they die. This guy seems to be the second type, and he's just tying up loose ends (thanking his readers) before he goes. Well, that's his right. I find it somewhat offensive that casual readers of news sites would presume to question his judgement. Maybe he will go through with it. Or maybe, faced with the reality of the act, he'll reconsider. Only he can have that realisation, only he can make that decision, and it's none of our damn business IMO.

_pius 17y ago

I guess I don't see the point of your comment. What's the upside of you discouraging people from taking this seriously? The potential downside is rather obvious ...