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What utter nonsense. "Freedom of speech, except you can't harass rape victims". It's still freedom of speech.

AcerbicZero 11y ago
I'm not sure how you jumped from free speech, to harassing rape victims. Last I checked, harassment requires something more than just freely speaking an opinion once or twice.
- Retric 11y ago
  IMO, freedom of speech refers to content, not necessarily delivery. There really seems to be three types of speech. Private (home), subscribed (church, book, TV show), broadcast (commercial, billboard sign, office cooler, email inbox)). The difference being how wide the audience, and how much freedom they have in listening to you. The problem IMO is ‘the internet’ mixes the three basic types of speech. Things that feel private often don't end up that way. PS: A mortician making a book based on autopsy photos seems reasonable. But, sending those same photos to a parole officer or someone else you know less likely to be acceptable. Though in book form it is once again probably ok, same content different context.
  - AcerbicZero 11y ago
    I think I see where you're going, and you do raise a valid point. My comment was aimed more at the abrupt logical jump made by the user above, from free speech to rape harassment.
mason240 11y ago
Except now you are defining what are acceptable and unacceptable forms of speech. This is exactly what Cameron wants to do.
- hahainternet 11y ago
  No country with 'freedom of speech' does not define acceptable and unacceptable. Unrestricted freedom is anarchy. Give me ultimate freedom of speech and I'll stand outside your house with a megaphone calling your family illegitimate so you can't sleep. (Ok I won't, but I promise you people will)
  - collyw 11y ago
    But that would be harassment rather than lack of freedom of speech.
Lawtonfogle 11y ago
I hereby declare that criticism of the current government's policy dealing with rape and rape victims to be harassing rape victims and will be treated as such.
jwally 11y ago
By definition, that's not free. That's like saying that Texas is the best state in the United States except Colorado, Washington, and Nebraska. The previous statement contradicts itself. Either Texas is the best, or one of the other three states is the best. Texas cannot be both the best and be bettered by 3 other states.
- Retric 11y ago
  If there where a 4 way tie for best then there is no contradition.
- hahainternet 11y ago
  > By definition, that's not free Nonsense. Freedoms are never unlimited. I can't think of any that would even be unlimited in idealistic worlds like software licensing. Can you name any?
undersuit 11y ago
"McDonald's Big Mac, but we are out of pickles." "Endless Buffet, king crab legs limited to 5lbs. a guest" "Freedom, except you can't do that thing." I'm perfectly free to, and I would, harass a rape victim for any aggression against me that would compel me to harass any other person.
- hahainternet 11y ago
  > I'm perfectly free to, and I would, harass a rape victim for any aggression against me that would compel me to harass any other person. I've never seen such stupidity posted on HN. Congratulations.

I'm not sure how you jumped from free speech, to harassing rape victims. Last I checked, harassment requires something more than just freely speaking an opinion once or twice.

Retric 11y ago
IMO, freedom of speech refers to content, not necessarily delivery. There really seems to be three types of speech. Private (home), subscribed (church, book, TV show), broadcast (commercial, billboard sign, office cooler, email inbox)). The difference being how wide the audience, and how much freedom they have in listening to you. The problem IMO is ‘the internet’ mixes the three basic types of speech. Things that feel private often don't end up that way. PS: A mortician making a book based on autopsy photos seems reasonable. But, sending those same photos to a parole officer or someone else you know less likely to be acceptable. Though in book form it is once again probably ok, same content different context.
- AcerbicZero 11y ago
  I think I see where you're going, and you do raise a valid point. My comment was aimed more at the abrupt logical jump made by the user above, from free speech to rape harassment.

mason240 11y ago

Except now you are defining what are acceptable and unacceptable forms of speech. This is exactly what Cameron wants to do.

hahainternet 11y ago
No country with 'freedom of speech' does not define acceptable and unacceptable. Unrestricted freedom is anarchy. Give me ultimate freedom of speech and I'll stand outside your house with a megaphone calling your family illegitimate so you can't sleep. (Ok I won't, but I promise you people will)
- collyw 11y ago
  But that would be harassment rather than lack of freedom of speech.

Lawtonfogle 11y ago

I hereby declare that criticism of the current government's policy dealing with rape and rape victims to be harassing rape victims and will be treated as such.

jwally 11y ago

By definition, that's not free. That's like saying that Texas is the best state in the United States except Colorado, Washington, and Nebraska. The previous statement contradicts itself. Either Texas is the best, or one of the other three states is the best. Texas cannot be both the best and be bettered by 3 other states.

Retric 11y ago
If there where a 4 way tie for best then there is no contradition.
hahainternet 11y ago
> By definition, that's not free Nonsense. Freedoms are never unlimited. I can't think of any that would even be unlimited in idealistic worlds like software licensing. Can you name any?

undersuit 11y ago

"McDonald's Big Mac, but we are out of pickles." "Endless Buffet, king crab legs limited to 5lbs. a guest" "Freedom, except you can't do that thing." I'm perfectly free to, and I would, harass a rape victim for any aggression against me that would compel me to harass any other person.

hahainternet 11y ago
> I'm perfectly free to, and I would, harass a rape victim for any aggression against me that would compel me to harass any other person. I've never seen such stupidity posted on HN. Congratulations.