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The main problem is that we're way too productive for the amount of people we have. The best solution in my mind is cut the average job back from 8 hours to 4-6

by redml 11y ago

The main problem is that we're way too productive for the amount of people we have. The best solution in my mind is cut the average job back from 8 hours to 4-6 hours, and have some very strict rules about overtime. You basically have to make it so its worth it for the larger companies to hire more people rather than squeeze what they can out of their exisiting workforce.

collyw 11y ago
"The main problem is that we're way too productive for the amount of people we have." Look around you, there is plenty of work that needs done. Doctors and nurses are overworked (so am I in my opinion). The streets could be cleaner. Public services are getting crapper and crapper (back in the 70's bin men came around once a week, walked up your drive and collected the bins, nowadays you have to do take it to the correct position outside your home). Teachers complain about workload. Every time you have to wait in a queue, think if that would be there if there were more staff. Its a complete misallocation of resources.
- M8 11y ago
  "Every time you have to wait in a queue, think if that would be there if there were more staff." Luckily we are getting more and more of automated self-service tills. No humans, no drama.
  - collyw 11y ago
    More work for you.
  - bluetomcat 11y ago
    The problem is that under the current system, every time a job is eliminated due to technological and productivity gains, another useless one is created, which, in turn eats out the productivity that was gained from eliminating the first one. Politicians should stop looking at "job creation" as a means of keeping people busy and consuming. A job should be done only if the society benefits from it.
- unicornporn 11y ago
  Fact remains, looking on statistics and society as a whole, automation has rationalized work a lot. Between 1970 and 1990 automation had made work (at least in Sweden where I live) 75% more effective. Did we use this cut down on working hours? Did it give workers that high increase in wages? No. In Sweden the general discourse talks about "creating jobs". Why? Why would we want to create job that oftentimes isn't needed? That it is a philosophical question looking beyond the national and political economics.
- viewer5 11y ago
  > Its a complete misallocation of resources. Where have the resources (people) been over-allocated to?

by redml 11y ago

collyw 11y ago

"The main problem is that we're way too productive for the amount of people we have." Look around you, there is plenty of work that needs done. Doctors and nurses are overworked (so am I in my opinion). The streets could be cleaner. Public services are getting crapper and crapper (back in the 70's bin men came around once a week, walked up your drive and collected the bins, nowadays you have to do take it to the correct position outside your home). Teachers complain about workload. Every time you have to wait in a queue, think if that would be there if there were more staff. Its a complete misallocation of resources.

M8 11y ago
"Every time you have to wait in a queue, think if that would be there if there were more staff." Luckily we are getting more and more of automated self-service tills. No humans, no drama.
- collyw 11y ago
  More work for you.
- bluetomcat 11y ago
  The problem is that under the current system, every time a job is eliminated due to technological and productivity gains, another useless one is created, which, in turn eats out the productivity that was gained from eliminating the first one. Politicians should stop looking at "job creation" as a means of keeping people busy and consuming. A job should be done only if the society benefits from it.
unicornporn 11y ago
Fact remains, looking on statistics and society as a whole, automation has rationalized work a lot. Between 1970 and 1990 automation had made work (at least in Sweden where I live) 75% more effective. Did we use this cut down on working hours? Did it give workers that high increase in wages? No. In Sweden the general discourse talks about "creating jobs". Why? Why would we want to create job that oftentimes isn't needed? That it is a philosophical question looking beyond the national and political economics.
viewer5 11y ago
> Its a complete misallocation of resources. Where have the resources (people) been over-allocated to?