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I'm sorry, but this is just a load of bollocks. There is a fundamental difference between public transport and cars, other than the upfront investment that was
by m_mueller 11y ago
I'm sorry, but this is just a load of bollocks. There is a fundamental difference between public transport and cars, other than the upfront investment that was pointed out in another comment: A car is a ~12m2 sized thing that you have to (a) somehow route into the system (road space requirements) and (b) leave somewhere when you do your business.
(a) is an overhead of a factor of ~40 compared to people standing and a factor or ~20 compared to people sitting for the transport alone (I'm assuming here people driving alone, which from experience is how this mostly works out).
(b) is an additional constant overhead of 12m2 for every participant that's not moving.
In computer science terms, your network protocol sucks, and leads to inefficient cities.
Would you like an example? L.A. metro area has about the same size as Greater Tokyo, produces about the same amount of carbon emissions total (!) [5], yet provides space for 2.5x less people and produces ~2.4x less GDP at purchase power parity [1],[2],[3],[4].
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._metropolitan_areas_by_GDP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._metropolitan_areas...
[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_metropolitan_area http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_metropolitan_area
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Tokyo_Area http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Tokyo_Area
[4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_GDP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_GDP
[5] http://www.researchgate.net/publication/223399559_Twelve_metropolitan_carbon_footprints_A_preliminary_comparative_global_assessment http://www.researchgate.net/publication/223399559_Twelve_met...
- forrestthewoods 11y agoSelf-driving cars don't have to be left somewhere. They can go and transport other people. Or they can drive themselves out of the way somewhere to hang out for awhile. Or some combination there of. I'm not sure how much I want to comment on your math equation. It's obviously much more complicated. It can't be reduced to an equation.
- m_mueller 11y agoideal self-driving cars basically remove (b) from my equation. The thing is, even if self-driving cars are around the corner now, I reckon that the type you can just leave on its own without any humans inside are still far out. Even just a solution for driving in bad weather conditions hasn't been tackled at all yet - you can't just shut down the city transport just because snow has covered up most of the visual markers. So, self-driving cars isn't going to solve any network problems for quite a while, and even when they do you still have overhead (a), which intuitively I'd say is even more important. I don't think it's that complicated btw. - if you do, please provide things I haven't considered and significantly change the outcome of the calculation.