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I think "professional" gamers tend to be needlessly fussy about their equipment. I beat Super Meat Boy 100% with a wireless gamepad with no issues at all. I als

I think "professional" gamers tend to be needlessly fussy about their equipment. I beat Super Meat Boy 100% with a wireless gamepad with no issues at all. I also use a wireless gaming mouse to play Counter-Strike and other FPS. These are both Logitech products so they use their own receivers instead of Bluetooth (presumably for better performance), but it looks like this keyboard mod is doing the same thing.

rcthompson 12y ago
I know someone who looked into Logitech's wireless protocol. He said it was just Bluetooth with some magic numbers changed to separate it from real Bluetooth.
- archagon 12y ago
  Maybe, but I do know that Logitech differentiates between their normal wireless peripherals and their gaming peripherals, especially in regards to products like the 500hz G602 mouse.
nightski 12y ago
For me it is batteries. Why deal with connection issues/batteries for a peripheral that never leaves the desk? Seems ridiculous.
- archagon 12y ago
  My mouse lasts about a month, and I much prefer the experience to getting my movement occasionally (frequently) cramped by a rigid cable!
  - nacs 12y ago
    If its a frequent problem, you can use a mouse bungee [1] [2] [3] to prevent it. They're targeted at the gaming crowd and most "pro gamers" use those. I'm sure you could rig up a cheaper solution with sticky tape or something if you don't want to buy one. [1]: http://i.imgur.com/l8Ynobn.jpg http://i.imgur.com/l8Ynobn.jpg [2]: http://www.amazon.com/Mouse-Bungee-Management-Fixer-Holder/dp/B00IE00HTW/ http://www.amazon.com/Mouse-Bungee-Management-Fixer-Holder/d... (~$9) [3]: http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Tt-eSPORTS-Galeru-EAC-MSB001/dp/B00BOVOED8/ http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Tt-eSPORTS-Galeru-EAC-MSB0... (~$20)
  - monochromatic 12y ago
    Yeah but a mouse moves in use. A keyboard just sits there. I don't understand the allure of wireless keyboards.
  - DrStalker 12y ago
    For me the big problem isn't battery life, it's cats deciding to knock the mouse onto the floor and hide it. A wired mouse makes this very easy to fix!
  - Moru 12y ago
    Trick from old dog: When using wired keyboard with wired mouse, use the cable-binder that came with either device to bind the two cables together leaving enough length of the mouse cable so it can move freely. This has the added advantage that your mouse cable won't break as fast because of movement.
- PhasmaFelis 12y ago
  One less thing to get tangled up and knock things over. Also lets me switch sides easily, to play games that assume a right-handed keyboard/mouse layout (I normally mouse left-handed). I've never had connection issues with my wireless mouse since I velcroed a USB hub to the bottom of my monitor stand and plugged the dongle into that. (And I only had occasional issues before that because of my metal desk pad. Most users shouldn't have any troubles at all.) So I just have to swap the batteries in the mouse for a set in the charger every few months. No big deal.
Dewie3 12y ago
There is no need for scare quotes since professional gamers are a thing. Unless you meant serious or hardcore gamers, in which case I don't know why you didn't just write that. I don't think professionals are playing SMB. CS though, probably.
- archagon 12y ago
  Sure, but real professional gamers are few and far between. It would be a stretch to claim that their fairly unique peripheral needs are the reason why wireless keyboards are scarce in general. No — I think it's exactly the scare-quote professional gamers who scoff at things like wireless keyboards and keep them from becoming popular. I didn't write serious or hardcore because I was responding to the language in the parent post. And I mentioned SMB because it's a game that really tests your reflexes.
  - darkerside 12y ago
    Fair point, and that's what you should have responded to the parent post with. Making an irrelevant remark about non-professional gamers came off as quite condescending.
    - archagon 12y ago
      Sorry, I guess I'm just annoyed at all the armchair professional gamers on /r/games talking about what's supposedly best for everyone and whatnot.
  - lawl 12y ago
    I don't think the problem is necessarily the latency. But with wireless keyboard/mouse I sometimes had the issue of a key not beeing registered, or a fast mouse movement. Sometimes just randomly or when the batteries were getting low. For regular use that's not too much of a problem, as it happens rarely, but even for somewhat serious gaming that's not acceptable, as it can cost you hours of progression, a lost match or whatever.

rcthompson 12y ago

I know someone who looked into Logitech's wireless protocol. He said it was just Bluetooth with some magic numbers changed to separate it from real Bluetooth.

archagon 12y ago
Maybe, but I do know that Logitech differentiates between their normal wireless peripherals and their gaming peripherals, especially in regards to products like the 500hz G602 mouse.

nightski 12y ago

For me it is batteries. Why deal with connection issues/batteries for a peripheral that never leaves the desk? Seems ridiculous.

archagon 12y ago
My mouse lasts about a month, and I much prefer the experience to getting my movement occasionally (frequently) cramped by a rigid cable!
- nacs 12y ago
  If its a frequent problem, you can use a mouse bungee [1] [2] [3] to prevent it. They're targeted at the gaming crowd and most "pro gamers" use those. I'm sure you could rig up a cheaper solution with sticky tape or something if you don't want to buy one. [1]: http://i.imgur.com/l8Ynobn.jpg http://i.imgur.com/l8Ynobn.jpg [2]: http://www.amazon.com/Mouse-Bungee-Management-Fixer-Holder/dp/B00IE00HTW/ http://www.amazon.com/Mouse-Bungee-Management-Fixer-Holder/d... (~$9) [3]: http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Tt-eSPORTS-Galeru-EAC-MSB001/dp/B00BOVOED8/ http://www.amazon.com/Thermaltake-Tt-eSPORTS-Galeru-EAC-MSB0... (~$20)
- monochromatic 12y ago
  Yeah but a mouse moves in use. A keyboard just sits there. I don't understand the allure of wireless keyboards.
- DrStalker 12y ago
  For me the big problem isn't battery life, it's cats deciding to knock the mouse onto the floor and hide it. A wired mouse makes this very easy to fix!
- Moru 12y ago
  Trick from old dog: When using wired keyboard with wired mouse, use the cable-binder that came with either device to bind the two cables together leaving enough length of the mouse cable so it can move freely. This has the added advantage that your mouse cable won't break as fast because of movement.
PhasmaFelis 12y ago
One less thing to get tangled up and knock things over. Also lets me switch sides easily, to play games that assume a right-handed keyboard/mouse layout (I normally mouse left-handed). I've never had connection issues with my wireless mouse since I velcroed a USB hub to the bottom of my monitor stand and plugged the dongle into that. (And I only had occasional issues before that because of my metal desk pad. Most users shouldn't have any troubles at all.) So I just have to swap the batteries in the mouse for a set in the charger every few months. No big deal.

Dewie3 12y ago

There is no need for scare quotes since professional gamers are a thing. Unless you meant serious or hardcore gamers, in which case I don't know why you didn't just write that. I don't think professionals are playing SMB. CS though, probably.

archagon 12y ago
Sure, but real professional gamers are few and far between. It would be a stretch to claim that their fairly unique peripheral needs are the reason why wireless keyboards are scarce in general. No — I think it's exactly the scare-quote professional gamers who scoff at things like wireless keyboards and keep them from becoming popular. I didn't write serious or hardcore because I was responding to the language in the parent post. And I mentioned SMB because it's a game that really tests your reflexes.
- darkerside 12y ago
  Fair point, and that's what you should have responded to the parent post with. Making an irrelevant remark about non-professional gamers came off as quite condescending.
  - archagon 12y ago
    Sorry, I guess I'm just annoyed at all the armchair professional gamers on /r/games talking about what's supposedly best for everyone and whatnot.
- lawl 12y ago
  I don't think the problem is necessarily the latency. But with wireless keyboard/mouse I sometimes had the issue of a key not beeing registered, or a fast mouse movement. Sometimes just randomly or when the batteries were getting low. For regular use that's not too much of a problem, as it happens rarely, but even for somewhat serious gaming that's not acceptable, as it can cost you hours of progression, a lost match or whatever.