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> Bates was arrested and taken to the Rockland Police Department, where he was interviewed. He waived his Miranda Rights ... > ... He also consented to a searc

by foz 11y ago

> Bates was arrested and taken to the Rockland Police Department, where he was interviewed. He waived his Miranda Rights ... > ... He also consented to a search of his laptop and iPhone and gave officers the passwords to his e-mail and Skype accounts. Poor guy. I think he should have talked to a lawyer first before doing all of that.

andrewchambers 11y ago
Never give any info to the police you don't need to if you are under any sort of investigation. They will always use it against you, it is their job.
- krapp 11y ago
  Especially if you're actually guilty.
  - LLWM 11y ago
    If you're actually guilty, please do talk to the police. It will save everyone a lot of time.
    - indians_pro 11y ago
      Where everyone excludes you, because you will not just save time, you will _gain_ time - jail time. So, if you're guilty, only talk if you _want_ to turn yourself in/face charges.
      - LLWM 11y ago
        If you don't want to face charges, don't commit the crime in the first place. But more seriously, you will face charges anyway. And if you haven't said anything, that will only prolong the inevitable. Or is it your personal goal to get away with committing crimes?
        mindslight 11y ago
        Many routine crimes occur because the legal system diverges from sanity. And indeed it is people's goals (and the proper moral thing) to "get away" with these "crimes". I too would love if the map matched the territory. But the map has got to be the thing to change.
        LLWM 11y ago
        I disagree. If you want to use civil disobedience as a tool for changing bad laws, you have to be willing to accept the punishment for disobeying those laws. Otherwise you're not an activist, just an asshole. If you'd rather not be punished for breaking a bad law, that's fine too. Just lobby for it to be changed without violating the law, like the rest of us.
        mindslight 11y ago
        I'm not talking about civil disobedience, but simply living your life without dwelling on someone else's proscriptions for it. > like the rest of us False appeal to a nonexistent herd. People living your viewpoint are actually in the minority. Many people do drugs, and most people speed. As I said, I too would like actions to better line up with laws. But in our society of victimless "crimes", the answer isn't to insist that people need to follow the abstract model harder, but to fix the model to line up with reasonable people's behavior. And this is not the moral responsibility of people who simply wish to live their life, but of those who are creating this system of rules and calling it justice. To think otherwise is to believe that individuals should be servants of their government.
        LLWM 11y ago
        Nobody's claiming the answer is to simply accept bad laws along with the good ones. That's absurd. It should be pretty obvious that the only sensible answer is to get rid of the bad laws. We're just talking about what to do in the interim, since that process is not going to be instantaneous - scoff at whichever laws you personally disagree with, break those laws and accept the preposterous consequences as a form of protest, or follow them even though they're stupid. If you don't see the first option as a recipe for chaos, I don't know what else to say to you.
  - andrewchambers 11y ago
    I watch a bunch of shows where a camera man follows the police, and see people confess all the time as soon as the officer asks "Are these your drugs under the car seat?" etc. One time I saw someone who didn't confess, they were released the next day with no charges because they couldn't prove the owner of the drugs. Another case was someone who didn't pay for petrol at the gas station. The police caught them red handed, but they just kept saying it was an innocent mistake (obviously wasn't). Police had to let them go after they paid. Unless of course, you really are guilty and want to be punished, don't do it.
    - scintill76 11y ago
      > people confess all the time as soon as the officer asks "Are these your drugs under the car seat?" etc. Not that I intend to ever be in this situation, but what's the proper answer? Can't lying add another charge? So, do you lie, say nothing, "plead the fifth", demand a lawyer, or something else?
      - alttab 11y ago
        Use your judgement. YMMV.
        indians_pro 11y ago
        This obvious comment doesn't answer whether lying/saying nothing can add charges or not.
        zaroth 11y ago
        Say nothing except to ask for council. You cannot be charged for asking for a lawyer. Google "Don't talk to the police" and watch the first YouTube video of the lawyer and the police officer both telling you the same thing. Heck, they should play that video for kids in middle and high school right along with their DARE and Sex Ed. The YMMV refers to situations such as this: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7WEcpLi7kB4 http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7WEcpLi7kB4 Exercising your rights is never the easiest path but never, never let yourself be interrogated by the police. You are not required to allow yourself to be questioned, and there is absolutely no possible way being questioned can ever help you. Get a lawyer, the police can talk to them.
- chestervonwinch 11y ago
  Anecdote time: In my younger days, I was once stupidly walking down the street with a cup full of something I should not have been walking down the street with. It was late - only my girlfriend and I were on the street. Seeing a police car turning the corner in my direction, I panicked and tossed the cup. He must have saw this because he goes lights and sirens, and holds me for 45 minutes on the side walk while he asks me the all the guilt-admitting questions he can conjure. He was really desperate. At one point, he even attempted to breathalyze the ground where the cup was. It was a silly situation. I received a littering fine. Moral of the story: don't show your hand, and don't do stupid things.

by foz 11y ago

andrewchambers 11y ago

Never give any info to the police you don't need to if you are under any sort of investigation. They will always use it against you, it is their job.

krapp 11y ago
Especially if you're actually guilty.
- LLWM 11y ago
  If you're actually guilty, please do talk to the police. It will save everyone a lot of time.
  - indians_pro 11y ago
    Where everyone excludes you, because you will not just save time, you will _gain_ time - jail time. So, if you're guilty, only talk if you _want_ to turn yourself in/face charges.
    - LLWM 11y ago
      If you don't want to face charges, don't commit the crime in the first place. But more seriously, you will face charges anyway. And if you haven't said anything, that will only prolong the inevitable. Or is it your personal goal to get away with committing crimes?
      - mindslight 11y ago
        Many routine crimes occur because the legal system diverges from sanity. And indeed it is people's goals (and the proper moral thing) to "get away" with these "crimes". I too would love if the map matched the territory. But the map has got to be the thing to change.
        LLWM 11y ago
        I disagree. If you want to use civil disobedience as a tool for changing bad laws, you have to be willing to accept the punishment for disobeying those laws. Otherwise you're not an activist, just an asshole. If you'd rather not be punished for breaking a bad law, that's fine too. Just lobby for it to be changed without violating the law, like the rest of us.
        mindslight 11y ago
        I'm not talking about civil disobedience, but simply living your life without dwelling on someone else's proscriptions for it. > like the rest of us False appeal to a nonexistent herd. People living your viewpoint are actually in the minority. Many people do drugs, and most people speed. As I said, I too would like actions to better line up with laws. But in our society of victimless "crimes", the answer isn't to insist that people need to follow the abstract model harder, but to fix the model to line up with reasonable people's behavior. And this is not the moral responsibility of people who simply wish to live their life, but of those who are creating this system of rules and calling it justice. To think otherwise is to believe that individuals should be servants of their government.
        LLWM 11y ago
        Nobody's claiming the answer is to simply accept bad laws along with the good ones. That's absurd. It should be pretty obvious that the only sensible answer is to get rid of the bad laws. We're just talking about what to do in the interim, since that process is not going to be instantaneous - scoff at whichever laws you personally disagree with, break those laws and accept the preposterous consequences as a form of protest, or follow them even though they're stupid. If you don't see the first option as a recipe for chaos, I don't know what else to say to you.
- andrewchambers 11y ago
  I watch a bunch of shows where a camera man follows the police, and see people confess all the time as soon as the officer asks "Are these your drugs under the car seat?" etc. One time I saw someone who didn't confess, they were released the next day with no charges because they couldn't prove the owner of the drugs. Another case was someone who didn't pay for petrol at the gas station. The police caught them red handed, but they just kept saying it was an innocent mistake (obviously wasn't). Police had to let them go after they paid. Unless of course, you really are guilty and want to be punished, don't do it.
  - scintill76 11y ago
    > people confess all the time as soon as the officer asks "Are these your drugs under the car seat?" etc. Not that I intend to ever be in this situation, but what's the proper answer? Can't lying add another charge? So, do you lie, say nothing, "plead the fifth", demand a lawyer, or something else?
    - alttab 11y ago
      Use your judgement. YMMV.
      - indians_pro 11y ago
        This obvious comment doesn't answer whether lying/saying nothing can add charges or not.
        zaroth 11y ago
        Say nothing except to ask for council. You cannot be charged for asking for a lawyer. Google "Don't talk to the police" and watch the first YouTube video of the lawyer and the police officer both telling you the same thing. Heck, they should play that video for kids in middle and high school right along with their DARE and Sex Ed. The YMMV refers to situations such as this: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7WEcpLi7kB4 http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7WEcpLi7kB4 Exercising your rights is never the easiest path but never, never let yourself be interrogated by the police. You are not required to allow yourself to be questioned, and there is absolutely no possible way being questioned can ever help you. Get a lawyer, the police can talk to them.
chestervonwinch 11y ago
Anecdote time: In my younger days, I was once stupidly walking down the street with a cup full of something I should not have been walking down the street with. It was late - only my girlfriend and I were on the street. Seeing a police car turning the corner in my direction, I panicked and tossed the cup. He must have saw this because he goes lights and sirens, and holds me for 45 minutes on the side walk while he asks me the all the guilt-admitting questions he can conjure. He was really desperate. At one point, he even attempted to breathalyze the ground where the cup was. It was a silly situation. I received a littering fine. Moral of the story: don't show your hand, and don't do stupid things.