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All milk sold (legally) in the US is processed, because it must undergo pasteurization, a heating process that kills pathogens. Outside of a small group of raw

by blfr 11y ago

All milk sold (legally) in the US is processed, because it must undergo pasteurization, a heating process that kills pathogens. Outside of a small group of raw milk activists, this is generally accepted as a positive. I have been drinking raw milk (just cooled) for over two years now. It's sold here (in Poland but also in Eastern Europe in general) from free-standing machines[1]. It's ~4% fat, slightly more expensive but much tastier. Doesn't keep as well as one sold in a box but you can still drink it with curd on top. I haven't heard of any epidemics. [1] https://i.imgur.com/7MhxOuZ.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7MhxOuZ.jpg

DanBC 11y ago
> I haven't heard of any epidemics. People in the US have had kidney failure as a result of raw milk. That's pretty risky considering not many people drink it. If I knew what the Polish is for "kidney failure" I could probably find the Polish children who were made very ill by parents imposing their fads.
- blfr 11y ago
  It's "niewydolność nerek" and I don't see anything about it with connection to milk other than reprints of American studies.
PhantomGremlin 11y ago
You can't have an "epidemic" from drinking raw milk, since it's not a contagious disease. However, two of my daughter's classmates were hospitalized just a few years ago from drinking raw milk. It was touch and go for a while, but they recovered and didn't need kidney transplants. http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2012/04/raw_milk_from_wilsonville_farm.html http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2012/04/raw_milk_...
- eurleif 11y ago
  >You can't have an "epidemic" from drinking raw milk, since it's not a contagious disease. Is that really a requirement? Wikipedia says "infectious disease", and, for example, here's a study that refers to an "epidemic" of foodborne illness: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7727673 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7727673
  - PhantomGremlin 11y ago
    Interesting. I didn't appreciate that the word "epidemic" has such a broad use (from Wikipedia): An epidemic disease is not required to be contagious, and the term has been applied to West Nile fever and the obesity epidemic, among others. The E. coli O157:H7 the girls acquired was foodborne. We don't routinely practice cannibalism in this state, so there was no danger of the outbreak continuing to spread once the farm in question stopped distributing raw milk.

by blfr 11y ago

DanBC 11y ago

> I haven't heard of any epidemics. People in the US have had kidney failure as a result of raw milk. That's pretty risky considering not many people drink it. If I knew what the Polish is for "kidney failure" I could probably find the Polish children who were made very ill by parents imposing their fads.

blfr 11y ago
It's "niewydolność nerek" and I don't see anything about it with connection to milk other than reprints of American studies.

PhantomGremlin 11y ago

You can't have an "epidemic" from drinking raw milk, since it's not a contagious disease. However, two of my daughter's classmates were hospitalized just a few years ago from drinking raw milk. It was touch and go for a while, but they recovered and didn't need kidney transplants. http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2012/04/raw_milk_from_wilsonville_farm.html http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2012/04/raw_milk_...

eurleif 11y ago
>You can't have an "epidemic" from drinking raw milk, since it's not a contagious disease. Is that really a requirement? Wikipedia says "infectious disease", and, for example, here's a study that refers to an "epidemic" of foodborne illness: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7727673 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7727673
- PhantomGremlin 11y ago
  Interesting. I didn't appreciate that the word "epidemic" has such a broad use (from Wikipedia): An epidemic disease is not required to be contagious, and the term has been applied to West Nile fever and the obesity epidemic, among others. The E. coli O157:H7 the girls acquired was foodborne. We don't routinely practice cannibalism in this state, so there was no danger of the outbreak continuing to spread once the farm in question stopped distributing raw milk.