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Satiety is nothing. The reason overweight individuals have a tough time is that they are VERY satieted by carb foods but because the brain produce Dopamine they

by yest 11y ago

Satiety is nothing. The reason overweight individuals have a tough time is that they are VERY satieted by carb foods but because the brain produce Dopamine they crave it and can't stop. Fat people = addicted to Dopamine. They will eat cookies, sandwiches and other simple carbs every day and between meals. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2381335/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2381335/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/processed-carbohydrates-are-addictive-brain-study-suggests/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/processed-carbohydrates-are-addi...

IndianAstronaut 11y ago
Certainly true, carbs are addicting. But perhaps the satieting effect of fats can help individuals curb their hunger. http://europepmc.org/abstract/med/9683329 http://europepmc.org/abstract/med/9683329 http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v32/n11/abs/ijo2008166a.html http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v32/n11/abs/ijo2008166a.ht...
- yest 11y ago
  there is no hunger believe me, there is craving. If you've been on cocaine you will know what i am talking about. Fats are really not important here, staying away from all simple carbs is the key to battle addiction. But fats are good anyway. Also some research shows that heart attacks are actually from carbs, not fats. check out Cereal Killers Movie
  - IndianAstronaut 11y ago
    Thanks for the movie recommendation. I will check it out. Fed Up was also good.
jrs235 11y ago
Satiety is more than nothing yet less than everything. Are you equating satiety to feeling satisfied (as in happy)? Because satiety doesn't mean that. It means feeling full. Most obese people I know rarely ever feel satiety. Most feel hungry all the time (because they don't have satiety). When most people feel full and continue eating food which leads to feeling engorged, they stop eating because they soon feel miserable. Sugars and carbs usually don't lead to satiety, fats tend to.
- yest 11y ago
  craving != hunger Addiction to carbs has the same mechanism as addiction to cocaine
  - jrs235 11y ago
    I agree craving != hunger. "The reason overweight individuals have a tough time is that they are VERY satieted by carb foods" Satiety has little to with cravings. It has to do with hunger. Regardless, I guess we are both in the "wrong" to assume whether particular individuals are truly satieted by carb foods or not. And I think we can both agree that it's best to avoid large amounts of simple carbs.
    - yest 11y ago
      it is best to avoid all simple carbs or may be even carbs at all. The reason people eat carbs is to hack the brain and get high on dopamines. I salivate when I think about a sandwich or a cookie or even a banana. I could eat them any time of day before. How can a fatso be hungry couple of hours after a meal? No way. The craving kicks in and he goes to a fridge and searches for a snack, and it won't be a broccoli
mapt 11y ago
I would suggest you investigate the prospect that the fundamental human condition involves "dopamine addiction", as dopamine activity is literally the thing our brain does to trigger pleasure in our mind - it is the primary neurochemical mechanism of that feeling. Dopamine-moderated pleasure, or some variant of it, is a basic drive (perhaps synonymous with 'basic drive', with motivation itself) that we likely share with the entirety of the animal kingdom. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reward_system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reward_system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine#Animals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine#Animals http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/07/what_is_dopamine_love_lust_sex_addiction_gambling_motivation_reward.html http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/201... I would also point out that fat people very rarely eat much above their natural metabolic burn rate. Instead, people who are presently gaining weight are doing so. Someone who eats an extra 500 calories per day over what their body demands (call it one, one and a half grilled cheese or PB&J sandwiches) gains 1 pound per week, and has gained 52 pounds after 1 year. A fat person who has a stable weight is not eating excess food. The reason you see them eating more food than you, is that when we gain weight, our body demands more energy to feed that body mass; Losing a pound at 130lbs weight requires a similar amount of discomfort & deprivation as losing a pound at 330lbs weight. For them to be feeding a body two and a half times as large on a similar diet as a stable-weight 130lbs person, would represent a very rapid, very uncomfortable weight loss, a starvation diet. Usually, people gaining weight put on pounds slowly; Gaining 26 lbs per year is a 250 calories per day excess. They're only eating 10 or 15% more than they should be to maintain their weight. This is not the behavior of an out-of-control addict chasing the dragon, but a largely functional feedback loop responding to a slight artificial bias in favor of extra food, or less exercise, than it's naturally tuned for (or at least, than it was subjected to previous to the obesity epidemic).
- yest 11y ago
  OMG, it's NOT about calories, if you eat white sugar it goes straight to fat and if you eat almonds, it is digested gradually. Fat people are addicted to sweets, cookies, rice, bread. They don't eat green veggie with olive oil. Just see WHAT they eat ffs. Just go in the cafe and look in their plates. They ALL eat a ton of noodles, rice (Asia), bread, sweet sauces and sweet "juices" and drinks. Come on, time to wake the fuck up
prostoalex 11y ago
Is the dopamine produced in response to carb consumption or in response to satiety? I'd imagine a steak lover who just finished a porterhouse with bernaise is also high on dopamine.
- yest 11y ago
  for some reason with sugar and carbs you hack the brain

by yest 11y ago

IndianAstronaut 11y ago

Certainly true, carbs are addicting. But perhaps the satieting effect of fats can help individuals curb their hunger. http://europepmc.org/abstract/med/9683329 http://europepmc.org/abstract/med/9683329 http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v32/n11/abs/ijo2008166a.html http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v32/n11/abs/ijo2008166a.ht...

yest 11y ago
there is no hunger believe me, there is craving. If you've been on cocaine you will know what i am talking about. Fats are really not important here, staying away from all simple carbs is the key to battle addiction. But fats are good anyway. Also some research shows that heart attacks are actually from carbs, not fats. check out Cereal Killers Movie
- IndianAstronaut 11y ago
  Thanks for the movie recommendation. I will check it out. Fed Up was also good.

jrs235 11y ago

Satiety is more than nothing yet less than everything. Are you equating satiety to feeling satisfied (as in happy)? Because satiety doesn't mean that. It means feeling full. Most obese people I know rarely ever feel satiety. Most feel hungry all the time (because they don't have satiety). When most people feel full and continue eating food which leads to feeling engorged, they stop eating because they soon feel miserable. Sugars and carbs usually don't lead to satiety, fats tend to.

yest 11y ago
craving != hunger Addiction to carbs has the same mechanism as addiction to cocaine
- jrs235 11y ago
  I agree craving != hunger. "The reason overweight individuals have a tough time is that they are VERY satieted by carb foods" Satiety has little to with cravings. It has to do with hunger. Regardless, I guess we are both in the "wrong" to assume whether particular individuals are truly satieted by carb foods or not. And I think we can both agree that it's best to avoid large amounts of simple carbs.
  - yest 11y ago
    it is best to avoid all simple carbs or may be even carbs at all. The reason people eat carbs is to hack the brain and get high on dopamines. I salivate when I think about a sandwich or a cookie or even a banana. I could eat them any time of day before. How can a fatso be hungry couple of hours after a meal? No way. The craving kicks in and he goes to a fridge and searches for a snack, and it won't be a broccoli

mapt 11y ago

I would suggest you investigate the prospect that the fundamental human condition involves "dopamine addiction", as dopamine activity is literally the thing our brain does to trigger pleasure in our mind - it is the primary neurochemical mechanism of that feeling. Dopamine-moderated pleasure, or some variant of it, is a basic drive (perhaps synonymous with 'basic drive', with motivation itself) that we likely share with the entirety of the animal kingdom. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reward_system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reward_system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine#Animals http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine#Animals http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/07/what_is_dopamine_love_lust_sex_addiction_gambling_motivation_reward.html http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/201... I would also point out that fat people very rarely eat much above their natural metabolic burn rate. Instead, people who are presently gaining weight are doing so. Someone who eats an extra 500 calories per day over what their body demands (call it one, one and a half grilled cheese or PB&J sandwiches) gains 1 pound per week, and has gained 52 pounds after 1 year. A fat person who has a stable weight is not eating excess food. The reason you see them eating more food than you, is that when we gain weight, our body demands more energy to feed that body mass; Losing a pound at 130lbs weight requires a similar amount of discomfort & deprivation as losing a pound at 330lbs weight. For them to be feeding a body two and a half times as large on a similar diet as a stable-weight 130lbs person, would represent a very rapid, very uncomfortable weight loss, a starvation diet. Usually, people gaining weight put on pounds slowly; Gaining 26 lbs per year is a 250 calories per day excess. They're only eating 10 or 15% more than they should be to maintain their weight. This is not the behavior of an out-of-control addict chasing the dragon, but a largely functional feedback loop responding to a slight artificial bias in favor of extra food, or less exercise, than it's naturally tuned for (or at least, than it was subjected to previous to the obesity epidemic).

yest 11y ago
OMG, it's NOT about calories, if you eat white sugar it goes straight to fat and if you eat almonds, it is digested gradually. Fat people are addicted to sweets, cookies, rice, bread. They don't eat green veggie with olive oil. Just see WHAT they eat ffs. Just go in the cafe and look in their plates. They ALL eat a ton of noodles, rice (Asia), bread, sweet sauces and sweet "juices" and drinks. Come on, time to wake the fuck up

prostoalex 11y ago

Is the dopamine produced in response to carb consumption or in response to satiety? I'd imagine a steak lover who just finished a porterhouse with bernaise is also high on dopamine.

yest 11y ago
for some reason with sugar and carbs you hack the brain