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What is the evidence that this is a failed approach?

by rndn 11y ago

DanBC 11y ago
(I am strongly against the government's stupid changes; I strongly support the human rights act etc) All the children travelling to Syria? All the money being raised for terrorist organisations - from people who know the money is going to be used for terrorist purposes? The murder of English soldiers on British streets? The plot to kill other soldiers by a british teenager? The recent IRA plot to assassinate Prince Charles and Camilla? The fact that PREVENT is a "toxic brand" and widely distrusted? There is a bunch of stuff happening that causes some concern to UK government.
- ccvannorman 11y ago
  And the best solution they can come up with is "Let's oppress the SHIT out of everybody, then everything will be .. better!"
  - Zenst 11y ago
    Yet we live in a society that accepts locks on doors and the need for encryption and pin codes for bank cards which equally oppress our time and our trust in others, yet we accept that as a balance in that it protects us from bad people, even if we never know or come across any. Not a perfect solution by far, but this is not a perfect World and until you get a society in which people do not lock doors as no need etc, is when security becomes oppression.
- rorykoehler 11y ago
  How many children went to Syria? A few thousand at most and that's being generous. Hardly a cause for concern. It's statistically inconsequential beside I can think of a thousand and one ways to prevent this happening in a non-aggressive, inclusive and progressive way. All these policies are going to do is disillusion even more people.
  - pjc50 11y ago
    That's still a huge amount. I too am in favour of "doing something" about Islamist extremism, but I don't have any good specific ideas and neither it seems does anyone else. We should learn more from the NI peace process; in some ways the new anti-extremism policy reminds me of when Gerry Adams couldn't speak on TV. It was stupid and ineffective then and unlikely to help now.
    - rorykoehler 11y ago
      The first thing to do is to stop acting morally superior whilst bombing the out of any country that doesn't fall in line in the name of democracy. Anyone with even the slightest ability to think for themselves can see through this and views evil as evil regardless of the badge worn. Others unfortunately don't make it this far and either throw their weight behind such policies or resist them by joining the 'enemy'. These are the kids that went to Syria and honestly it's difficult for me to see them as any different as the kids that join the UK or US armed forces. They are naive and misinformed otherwise they would never consider joining any armed forces. Second is to do everything possible to reduce the income inequality that is ever expanding in the world. Thirdly we also need to focus on education and tolerance. The current establishment has proven themselves to be inept on all three counts. No other tactic has any chance of succeeding.
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What is the evidence that this is a failed approach?

by rndn 11y ago

What is the evidence that this is a failed approach?

DanBC 11y ago

(I am strongly against the government's stupid changes; I strongly support the human rights act etc) All the children travelling to Syria? All the money being raised for terrorist organisations - from people who know the money is going to be used for terrorist purposes? The murder of English soldiers on British streets? The plot to kill other soldiers by a british teenager? The recent IRA plot to assassinate Prince Charles and Camilla? The fact that PREVENT is a "toxic brand" and widely distrusted? There is a bunch of stuff happening that causes some concern to UK government.

ccvannorman 11y ago
And the best solution they can come up with is "Let's oppress the SHIT out of everybody, then everything will be .. better!"
- Zenst 11y ago
  Yet we live in a society that accepts locks on doors and the need for encryption and pin codes for bank cards which equally oppress our time and our trust in others, yet we accept that as a balance in that it protects us from bad people, even if we never know or come across any. Not a perfect solution by far, but this is not a perfect World and until you get a society in which people do not lock doors as no need etc, is when security becomes oppression.
rorykoehler 11y ago
How many children went to Syria? A few thousand at most and that's being generous. Hardly a cause for concern. It's statistically inconsequential beside I can think of a thousand and one ways to prevent this happening in a non-aggressive, inclusive and progressive way. All these policies are going to do is disillusion even more people.
- pjc50 11y ago
  That's still a huge amount. I too am in favour of "doing something" about Islamist extremism, but I don't have any good specific ideas and neither it seems does anyone else. We should learn more from the NI peace process; in some ways the new anti-extremism policy reminds me of when Gerry Adams couldn't speak on TV. It was stupid and ineffective then and unlikely to help now.
  - rorykoehler 11y ago
    The first thing to do is to stop acting morally superior whilst bombing the out of any country that doesn't fall in line in the name of democracy. Anyone with even the slightest ability to think for themselves can see through this and views evil as evil regardless of the badge worn. Others unfortunately don't make it this far and either throw their weight behind such policies or resist them by joining the 'enemy'. These are the kids that went to Syria and honestly it's difficult for me to see them as any different as the kids that join the UK or US armed forces. They are naive and misinformed otherwise they would never consider joining any armed forces. Second is to do everything possible to reduce the income inequality that is ever expanding in the world. Thirdly we also need to focus on education and tolerance. The current establishment has proven themselves to be inept on all three counts. No other tactic has any chance of succeeding.
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