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You want to censor yourself based on down vote reasons? Even if sometimes it seems strange to receive a down vote there are many people with different opinions

by givan 11y ago

You want to censor yourself based on down vote reasons? Even if sometimes it seems strange to receive a down vote there are many people with different opinions and even if they told you the reason it won't help you much, other than entering a time consuming debate I don't see what else you can do. https://xkcd.com/386/ https://xkcd.com/386/ Down votes increased because hn got bigger, and it only means someone disagrees with you, why do you see it as a punishment?

currysausage 11y ago
> Down votes increased because hn got bigger, and it only means someone disagrees with you, why do you see it as a punishment? And I thought disagreement was the worst reason for downvoting. I thought that you should downvote comments for low quality, when they add nothing but flame potential to the discussion. Downvotes let a comment fade to grey until it is invisible. Is it so hard to see why someone would see this as punishment? Why would I want to make counter-arguments vanish? A discussion where all visible comments promote the same opinion would be a boring, useless discussion. Actually, I tend to upvote opinions that I reject if they are outlined in a valuable manner. It is in my best interest to know the best points for all sides. And OP, as I understand it, wants to make this more visible to downvoters: that disagreement isn't actually in the canonical list of downvote reasons.
- Sandman 11y ago
  As a long-time HN user I completely agree with you, but it's worth mentioning that pg specifically stated that it's perfectly fine to use downvotes for disagreement (if I find the comment where he said that I'll edit my post and put a link to it). So, while I don't think that downvotes should be used for disagreement, if the person that created this site says that it's ok, then I guess it's ok. EDIT: Ah, here it is: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171
tomjen3 11y ago
When downvoted comments are no longer greyed out and pushed out of the discussion maybe we agree that they are not a punishment. The problem is that at present they are a bully pulpit. I have had comments that went negative days after they had been upvoted - surely if the comments were so bad they would have been downvoted right away?
- lmz 11y ago
  > When downvoted comments are no longer greyed out and pushed out of the discussion maybe we agree that they are not a punishment. Also: get greyed out often enough and end up [dead]. I understand why this is (continuously disruptive trolls etc.); It's just that it can also be "voice an unpopular opinion often enough".

by givan 11y ago

currysausage 11y ago

> Down votes increased because hn got bigger, and it only means someone disagrees with you, why do you see it as a punishment? And I thought disagreement was the worst reason for downvoting. I thought that you should downvote comments for low quality, when they add nothing but flame potential to the discussion. Downvotes let a comment fade to grey until it is invisible. Is it so hard to see why someone would see this as punishment? Why would I want to make counter-arguments vanish? A discussion where all visible comments promote the same opinion would be a boring, useless discussion. Actually, I tend to upvote opinions that I reject if they are outlined in a valuable manner. It is in my best interest to know the best points for all sides. And OP, as I understand it, wants to make this more visible to downvoters: that disagreement isn't actually in the canonical list of downvote reasons.

Sandman 11y ago
As a long-time HN user I completely agree with you, but it's worth mentioning that pg specifically stated that it's perfectly fine to use downvotes for disagreement (if I find the comment where he said that I'll edit my post and put a link to it). So, while I don't think that downvotes should be used for disagreement, if the person that created this site says that it's ok, then I guess it's ok. EDIT: Ah, here it is: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171

tomjen3 11y ago

When downvoted comments are no longer greyed out and pushed out of the discussion maybe we agree that they are not a punishment. The problem is that at present they are a bully pulpit. I have had comments that went negative days after they had been upvoted - surely if the comments were so bad they would have been downvoted right away?

lmz 11y ago
> When downvoted comments are no longer greyed out and pushed out of the discussion maybe we agree that they are not a punishment. Also: get greyed out often enough and end up [dead]. I understand why this is (continuously disruptive trolls etc.); It's just that it can also be "voice an unpopular opinion often enough".