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Maybe the SEALs wouldn't have been able to restrain themselves, but in my experience, when people know that very high-up people in their chain of command are wa
by GabrielF00 11y ago
Maybe the SEALs wouldn't have been able to restrain themselves, but in my experience, when people know that very high-up people in their chain of command are watching their actions carefully, they generally make sure that it looks like everything they're doing is by the book. These guys knew that everyone up to the President was watching, and that what they did would be not just reported, but studied.
I don't really buy the idea that they would have used a drone strike as a cover story. Surely they would have realized that sending helicopters into a populated town would attract local attention - and that's exactly what happened - a guy saw the helicopters and reported it on Twitter. Even if they wanted the Americans to kill him in Pakistan, if they had Bin Laden under guard and were cooperating with the Americans they could have just driven the SEALs to the house, had them kill bin Laden quietly, and then driven away without attracting attention. Or they could have moved Bin Laden to someplace remote and had the Americans do it there.
And the business with the Saudis knowing about Bin Laden also seems strange. Essentially what Hersh is saying is that two American allies would have had to have known Bin Laden's location for years without the US discovering it. I can imagine the Pakistanis keeping it a secret (at least for as long as they did) but the Pakistanis coordinating with another government and receiving payments from that government without the US finding out? Not to mention the fact that there wasn't a disruption in the relationship with Saudi Arabia comparable to the disruption in the relationship with Pakistan.
The official story (at least with the modifications I described above) just seems a lot simpler and more plausible.
- mschuster91 11y ago> Not to mention the fact that there wasn't a disruption in the relationship with Saudi Arabia comparable to the disruption in the relationship with Pakistan. That's simple: US needs Saudi cooperation wrt oil prices. Saudi Arabia and the other OPEC states always can either dump a shitload of oil on the market to crash prices at no real cost for them (but huge cost losses for Western oil companies, esp. fracking - we're seeing this right now) or decide to artificially limit or stop their oil production, again at no cost for them but another oil crisis in the Western societies.
- randomafrican 11y agoWestern oil companies produce all the oil worldwide. The fracking guys are minor players.
- mcantelon 11y ago>I can imagine the Pakistanis keeping it a secret (at least for as long as they did) but the Pakistanis coordinating with another government and receiving payments from that government without the US finding out? I'd suspect the US probably knew the compound location for awhile as the US/Sauds/ISI have been pretty cozy over the years. One funny bit of trivia is that the long-time CIA operative that headed the first investigation into 9/11 had been to Pakistan a couple months before 9/11 and had breakfast with the head of the ISI in Washington on the day of 9/11. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porter_Goss#Intelligence_inquiry:_September_11.2C_2001 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porter_Goss#Intelligence_inquir...