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So if the Ivy league schools are not actually choosing the best students, wouldn't that mean that Ivy League graduates do worse after graduation than alumni for

So if the Ivy league schools are not actually choosing the best students, wouldn't that mean that Ivy League graduates do worse after graduation than alumni form other schools that don't use the Holistic admission process? More simply, if the SAT is the perfect determinate for intelligence and energy, and success in life directly relates to intelligence and hard work then the SAT alone should be the prefect predictor of success after graduation regardless of which university you graduate from. Particularly if, as alleged, employers don't care about your school after you've been in the work force for a number of years. If Ivy League's continue to generate the most successful people then their holistic approach is better at choosing the best candidate than the SAT or... Or the ivy league diploma works like a tile of nobility to a great degree nearly guaranteeing success in life to all its holders regardless of wit. In this case the argument really is what proportion of races should get these titles, each person looking to advantage their own.

yid 11y ago
> More simply, if the SAT is the perfect determinate for intelligence and energy Nobody, including the College Board, has ever made a claim remotely close to this.
- whybroke 11y ago
  The article only mentions "very subjective Holistic admissions" and only mentions SAT scores, citing them alone as proof of discrimination. By looking at that nothing else, the article is implying SAT scores should be the sole criterion for admission selection. Giving the benefit of the doubt to the author, I assume he believes it corresponds to talent and post graduate success and these are the reasons for selecting candidates.
  - asdfologist 11y ago
    The article isn't implying anything. It's reporting on a complaint, and the author isn't taking sides.
    - whybroke 11y ago
      Then change the word "article" above to "complaint" if you want. Correct the spelling and the grammar too if you wish. It makes absolutely no difference to the point at hand. And by the way, the choice of what to and not to report on is itself a bias.
asdfologist 11y ago
You're fighting a straw man. Nobody's arguing against holistic admissions. But many people think holistic admissions shouldn't include race.
- whybroke 11y ago
  I am using Holistic in exactly the way the article did and my argument has nothing to do with the normal definition of it anyway. My argument is: Either the current process in its entirety used by Ivy Leagues produce the most successful candidate or it does not. If it does then either it is already selecting the smartest hardest working candidates whatever the race statistics or success from going to an Ivy League has less to do with brains and effort. If so, we're just arguing about who get's a non-merit based boost in life.

yid 11y ago

> More simply, if the SAT is the perfect determinate for intelligence and energy Nobody, including the College Board, has ever made a claim remotely close to this.

whybroke 11y ago
The article only mentions "very subjective Holistic admissions" and only mentions SAT scores, citing them alone as proof of discrimination. By looking at that nothing else, the article is implying SAT scores should be the sole criterion for admission selection. Giving the benefit of the doubt to the author, I assume he believes it corresponds to talent and post graduate success and these are the reasons for selecting candidates.
- asdfologist 11y ago
  The article isn't implying anything. It's reporting on a complaint, and the author isn't taking sides.
  - whybroke 11y ago
    Then change the word "article" above to "complaint" if you want. Correct the spelling and the grammar too if you wish. It makes absolutely no difference to the point at hand. And by the way, the choice of what to and not to report on is itself a bias.

asdfologist 11y ago

You're fighting a straw man. Nobody's arguing against holistic admissions. But many people think holistic admissions shouldn't include race.

whybroke 11y ago
I am using Holistic in exactly the way the article did and my argument has nothing to do with the normal definition of it anyway. My argument is: Either the current process in its entirety used by Ivy Leagues produce the most successful candidate or it does not. If it does then either it is already selecting the smartest hardest working candidates whatever the race statistics or success from going to an Ivy League has less to do with brains and effort. If so, we're just arguing about who get's a non-merit based boost in life.