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When you open a freshly installed Firefox on Ubuntu or Windows (that is where I checked) you will have a google cookie set right before the first usage, without

When you open a freshly installed Firefox on Ubuntu or Windows (that is where I checked) you will have a google cookie set right before the first usage, without any chance of opting out or being asked before. Yes, anybody can change the startpage, delete all cookies and restart the browser. How many users will do this? And does forcing every user into google surveillance comply with this privacy marketing of mozilla, or is it just a zynical fake campaign? There should be a startpage explaining what cookies are, describing the difference between temporary and permanent cookies and how these help to track your web usage, and provide one single, visible button to delete all cookies. After this I should be asked if I would like to help mozilla funding by redirecting me to a google web search which will set a permanent cookie.

userbinator 11y ago
Given how much they've lobotomised the interface over the years, I think it's very unlikely they'll make default such an easily accessible option to delete cookies; quite possibly the only reason some cookie management still remains is because it was there in the first place and the privacy advocates would scream very loudly if it was removed. Otherwise, I think web developers with their "appeal to stupidity" argument ("but it breaks my sites if users are allowed to do X!") have been quite successful at taking control away from the user.
- halflings 11y ago
  What you call "lobotomised the interface" is what made so many people switch back to Firefox. That's the type of interface most people are looking for. I'll also add that there is a button that lets you delete all private info (cookies, history, etc.) acquired in a certain period of time: the Forget button [1]. If you're looking for something more advanced, you'll have to use something like this addon [2] [1] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/forget-button-quickly-delete-your-browsing-history https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/forget-button-quickly-d... [2] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/selectivecookiedelete/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/selectivecook...
robin_reala 11y ago
Is this due to the Safe Browsing database? http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/02/28/the-google-cookie-that-seems-to-come-out-of-nowhere/ http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/02/28/the-google-cookie-tha... If so then it shouldn’t be present in current versions. Did you accidentally import cookies from another browser? Probably worth filing a bug if not.
- deleted 11y ago
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- gorhill 11y ago
  > it shouldn’t be present in current versions This is what I see at launch[1]: http://clients1.google.com/ocsp https://safebrowsing.google.com/safebrowsing/download?... [1] https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/585534/7666597/5f287288-fbb9-11e4-877d-83d0fbc1c777.png https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/585534/7666597/5f...
  - kbrosnan 11y ago
    The safe browsing cookie is in its own networking sandbox. https://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/netwerk/base/nsNetUtil.h#1730 https://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/netwerk/base/... https://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/downloads/ApplicationReputation.cpp#958 https://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/compo... https://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/url-classifier/nsUrlClassifierStreamUpdater.cpp#130 https://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/compo...

userbinator 11y ago

Given how much they've lobotomised the interface over the years, I think it's very unlikely they'll make default such an easily accessible option to delete cookies; quite possibly the only reason some cookie management still remains is because it was there in the first place and the privacy advocates would scream very loudly if it was removed. Otherwise, I think web developers with their "appeal to stupidity" argument ("but it breaks my sites if users are allowed to do X!") have been quite successful at taking control away from the user.

halflings 11y ago
What you call "lobotomised the interface" is what made so many people switch back to Firefox. That's the type of interface most people are looking for. I'll also add that there is a button that lets you delete all private info (cookies, history, etc.) acquired in a certain period of time: the Forget button [1]. If you're looking for something more advanced, you'll have to use something like this addon [2] [1] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/forget-button-quickly-delete-your-browsing-history https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/forget-button-quickly-d... [2] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/selectivecookiedelete/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/selectivecook...

robin_reala 11y ago

Is this due to the Safe Browsing database? http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/02/28/the-google-cookie-that-seems-to-come-out-of-nowhere/ http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/02/28/the-google-cookie-tha... If so then it shouldn’t be present in current versions. Did you accidentally import cookies from another browser? Probably worth filing a bug if not.

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gorhill 11y ago
> it shouldn’t be present in current versions This is what I see at launch[1]: http://clients1.google.com/ocsp https://safebrowsing.google.com/safebrowsing/download?... [1] https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/585534/7666597/5f287288-fbb9-11e4-877d-83d0fbc1c777.png https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/585534/7666597/5f...
- kbrosnan 11y ago
  The safe browsing cookie is in its own networking sandbox. https://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/netwerk/base/nsNetUtil.h#1730 https://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/netwerk/base/... https://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/downloads/ApplicationReputation.cpp#958 https://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/compo... https://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/components/url-classifier/nsUrlClassifierStreamUpdater.cpp#130 https://dxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/compo...