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> Dick van Velzen did great harm Whilst I agree he comitted a crime, his subjects were all dead anyways. I don't see the great harm myself tbh.
by ramblerman 11y ago
> Dick van Velzen did great harm
Whilst I agree he comitted a crime, his subjects were all dead anyways. I don't see the great harm myself tbh.
- DanBC 11y agoHis science was lousy; he caused many people to withdraw consent for tissue donation for scientific reasons. His subjects were dead but those subjects had relatives and many of them expressed considerable distress. I don't particularly understand that upset by I recognise that they were not lying, they did sincerely feel a lot of upset.
- ramblerman 11y agoFirst point is very valid and one I hadn't considered Second is the one I was arguing against. I certainly don't doubt they did sincerely feel a lot of upset. I suppose I still think it shouldn't matter. It would in that regard have been better had they just never found out.
- jokr004 11y agoI see where you're coming from with your argument, and certainly I have no qualms about the use of my organs after I die, but not everyone shares that belief and personally I don't think it's right to just disregard that. Sure, it might have been better if the families never found out, but it would have been best if the families wishes (no matter how irrational) were respected from the get-go.
- Retra 11y agoDisregarding irrational beliefs is the first step to making good decisions.
- TeMPOraL 11y agoDisregarding someone's irrational beliefs (every one of us has some) just like that is a sign of serious lack of empathy, and an easy way to make enemies. You can try and convince someone to stop holding that irrational belief, but you don't have to disrespect their feelings in the process.
- tinco 11y agoWithout irrational beliefs there is no meaning to life.
- chrischen 11y agoOne man's irrational beliefs are another man's rational.
- Retra 11y agoYeah, that's how it works. /s
- ars 11y agoRegarding the second point. Suppose someone went in your house and rummaged around looking at everything. Would you feel violated? Would it be better if you didn't know? Or took naked pictures of you without you knowing about it? Another example: what if someone stole something from you that you didn't need? Some things matter even if they don't cause concrete harm.
- Retric 11y agoI disagree; in the vast majority of cases I suspect your better off ignoring ephemeral harm. That said many of the things that creep people out carry risks. But, IMO risk is a concrete harm. EX: False confictions are common so random searches cause concrete and measureable harm in aggregate.
- Joky 11y agoYour second point is not a consequence of the act itself, but a consequence of making it public. What if they never learnt about?