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I find that a pretty suspect statement, and I'm not sure I've ever encountered any man who's decided to avoid starting a family for that reason.

throwawayaway 12y ago
nice to meet you, might not tell you in person though. that sort of info can wreak havoc - i hope you understand.
caseysoftware 12y ago
The numbers are there to support it. I don't believe it's getting widespread coverage because it's considered anti-feminist to believe that women want to find a man to marry or have kids. Look at how Joss Whedon was thrashed for having Black Widow even suggest that. Check out "Men on Strike" by Helen Smith. She highlights the trends and proposed a number of theories to explain it.
- bruceb 12y ago
  "...it's considered anti-feminist to believe that women want to find a man to marry or have kids." Where is this said? Straw man runs wild.
  - caseysoftware 12y ago
    Let's test this. Tweet something like: "I believe most women want to find a man to marry and have kids" and please share your responses.
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    - bruceb 12y ago
      If you say it like it is the ONLY thing women want but saying part of most women's life plan is to find a man to marry and have kids, very few people will disagree.
      - throwawayaway 12y ago
        "I believe one of the things most women want, is to find a man to marry and have kids" go on! i dare you!
      - caseysoftware 12y ago
        I didn't say "only" you inferred that. It seems like you're the one that has constructed the straw man from what I said. But as I suggested, why not test it?
    - stinkytaco 12y ago
      I think the point that's being made is that it's really orthogonal to the argument, not that it is true or false. Whether or not women desire to get married and have a family really has nothing to do with men making the same choices, whatever their reasons might be.
BurnWhenRead 12y ago
I am one of those people, to an extent. Or rather, I largely avoid the dating scene because of the dangers involved. Up to and including paying child support for someone who isn't even yours. Or paying child support for a child resulting from you being raped. And there's no way around it currently. Currently, even if both parties agree, there's no way for them to actually form a binding agreement. It's gotten to the point where prenuptials are essentially useless. They are far too easily thrown out. However, I would not tell you as such in person unless specifically asked, and possibly not even then. It's a good way to get ostracized. Though there's also a moral component for me, but that is another matter.
- williamdix 12y ago
  GOOD CALL BRO. YOU GOTTA PROTECT YOUR FEDORAS AND YOUR BITCOINS BRO!!!! HOW WILL YOU REWARD OTHER ASSHOLES WITH REDDIT GOLD IF YOU DONT.
- sukilot 12y ago
  Prenuptials apply to the spouses, not children , who obviously cannot sign them. Are you saying that women are not held to prenup agreements, or that men forget that they cannot sign a prenup with their future children?

throwawayaway 12y ago

nice to meet you, might not tell you in person though. that sort of info can wreak havoc - i hope you understand.

caseysoftware 12y ago

The numbers are there to support it. I don't believe it's getting widespread coverage because it's considered anti-feminist to believe that women want to find a man to marry or have kids. Look at how Joss Whedon was thrashed for having Black Widow even suggest that. Check out "Men on Strike" by Helen Smith. She highlights the trends and proposed a number of theories to explain it.

bruceb 12y ago
"...it's considered anti-feminist to believe that women want to find a man to marry or have kids." Where is this said? Straw man runs wild.
- caseysoftware 12y ago
  Let's test this. Tweet something like: "I believe most women want to find a man to marry and have kids" and please share your responses.
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  - bruceb 12y ago
    If you say it like it is the ONLY thing women want but saying part of most women's life plan is to find a man to marry and have kids, very few people will disagree.
    - throwawayaway 12y ago
      "I believe one of the things most women want, is to find a man to marry and have kids" go on! i dare you!
    - caseysoftware 12y ago
      I didn't say "only" you inferred that. It seems like you're the one that has constructed the straw man from what I said. But as I suggested, why not test it?
  - stinkytaco 12y ago
    I think the point that's being made is that it's really orthogonal to the argument, not that it is true or false. Whether or not women desire to get married and have a family really has nothing to do with men making the same choices, whatever their reasons might be.

BurnWhenRead 12y ago

I am one of those people, to an extent. Or rather, I largely avoid the dating scene because of the dangers involved. Up to and including paying child support for someone who isn't even yours. Or paying child support for a child resulting from you being raped. And there's no way around it currently. Currently, even if both parties agree, there's no way for them to actually form a binding agreement. It's gotten to the point where prenuptials are essentially useless. They are far too easily thrown out. However, I would not tell you as such in person unless specifically asked, and possibly not even then. It's a good way to get ostracized. Though there's also a moral component for me, but that is another matter.

williamdix 12y ago
GOOD CALL BRO. YOU GOTTA PROTECT YOUR FEDORAS AND YOUR BITCOINS BRO!!!! HOW WILL YOU REWARD OTHER ASSHOLES WITH REDDIT GOLD IF YOU DONT.
sukilot 12y ago
Prenuptials apply to the spouses, not children , who obviously cannot sign them. Are you saying that women are not held to prenup agreements, or that men forget that they cannot sign a prenup with their future children?