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> modern PHP is a fine language. I am sorry, but bolting on a ton of 'modern' features on a broken language does not make it not-broken. If it does anything, i

> modern PHP is a fine language. I am sorry, but bolting on a ton of 'modern' features on a broken language does not make it not-broken. If it does anything, it is to put up an appearance of being modern, while remaining rotten on the inside, and hence all the more dangerous. Remember, the most broken aspect of the language is also reason for it's very defining feature (No or very little learning required to get started). Hence one cannot hope that PHP will be fixed at some point in the future. Because fixing the language thus will actually involve killing it and designing it from the ground up, at which point you can just use Python 3. And that is even considering that the PHP community is competent enough to identify the flaws of the language. But I think what happens inevitably is that, people who can really see how broken the language also see the hopelessness of the situation and immediately switch to something else or use it only to pay their bills. If you think I am not familer with modern PHP, here is a tool I wrote some time back in php, for php programmers to deal with the pain of working with namespaces and also provide intelligent auto completion for editors like vim.. https://bitbucket.org/sras/cliche https://bitbucket.org/sras/cliche

girvo 11y ago
> If it does anything, it is to put up an appearance of being modern, while remaining rotten on the inside, and hence all the more dangerous. But what's rotten that you have to use in the day-to-day? PHP still has it's quirks, sure, but when I write modern PHP nearly all of those melt away. Also, well done Cliche, that's pretty neat; there are some other implementations of this idea nowadays that do similar things and are very useful.[0] One of the reasons I love HHVM is that Hack is basically PHP-the-good-parts-with-other-awesome-good-parts-added. Static analysis? No problem. Autocomplete? Built into the default tooling! Having to remember dirty array method parameter ordering? No need -- use Collections and use methods on the primitives! [0] https://github.com/nikic/PHP-Parser https://github.com/nikic/PHP-Parser

girvo 11y ago

> If it does anything, it is to put up an appearance of being modern, while remaining rotten on the inside, and hence all the more dangerous. But what's rotten that you have to use in the day-to-day? PHP still has it's quirks, sure, but when I write modern PHP nearly all of those melt away. Also, well done Cliche, that's pretty neat; there are some other implementations of this idea nowadays that do similar things and are very useful.[0] One of the reasons I love HHVM is that Hack is basically PHP-the-good-parts-with-other-awesome-good-parts-added. Static analysis? No problem. Autocomplete? Built into the default tooling! Having to remember dirty array method parameter ordering? No need -- use Collections and use methods on the primitives! [0] https://github.com/nikic/PHP-Parser https://github.com/nikic/PHP-Parser