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I have so many comments on this article but this stood out: > I do not negotiate salaries. > I ask the person what do you need. That is the most absurd thing

by nadams 11y ago

I have so many comments on this article but this stood out: > I do not negotiate salaries. > I ask the person what do you need. That is the most absurd thing I have ever heard. Did you honestly tell your employer "oh I only needed $X to pay my bills and eat ramen"? > I’ve got a junior developer saying I need $100,000, that’s not reasonable Actually according to glassdoor[1] - salaries for a "junior developer" range from $60k to over $100k. [1] - http://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/junior-developer-salary-SRCH_KO0,16.htm http://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/junior-developer-salary-SR...

miloshadzic 11y ago
Not agreeing or disagreeing but I don't think he meant what do you need to survive but after he goes on to say that it means "what do you need to be happy with this job".
honest_george 11y ago
That link seems to be geolocation-specific. For me it returns salaries from 23 to 31k [1] [1] https://imgur.com/cCq85nI https://imgur.com/cCq85nI
- nadams 11y ago
  Which I think does add to my point - especially if you are a remote worker. The cost of living in a small suburbia town will be different than living in Silicon Valley. I don't think he has to deal with remote workers - but automatically disqualifying someone based on how much they ask just rubs me the wrong way.
serve_yay 11y ago
To him a junior dev is not worth $100k, it doesn't matter what Glassdoor says. The thing about not negotiating simply means that he asks you your number, and then makes a binary decision based on that number. As opposed to trying to get you to agree to a lower figure, your number is either acceptable to him or not. If so, hired; if not, not.
calevans 11y ago
Salary is a very tricky thing. Yes, there are locations that pay a Jr. developer $100k or more. My bias is showing in that I don't live on one of those areas. That still does not change how I handle salaries. However, I left out a critical part. Yes, I like hiring remote developers. Yes, I like paying each developer what they feel they are worth so that they are comfortable with the job and not always looking for the next thing. HOWEVER, before I start looking for a developer to hire I have to assess what the position is worth to the company. Regardless of geographic norms for the developer, if the position of Jr. is not worth $100k to the company, then I will dismiss the candidate because others will provide similar value and within my range. I want everyone to be comfortable with the salary being paid. That includes the developer I am hiring, the company I am hiring them for, and myself. The person who will be held responsible for the decision.

by nadams 11y ago

miloshadzic 11y ago

Not agreeing or disagreeing but I don't think he meant what do you need to survive but after he goes on to say that it means "what do you need to be happy with this job".

honest_george 11y ago

That link seems to be geolocation-specific. For me it returns salaries from 23 to 31k [1] [1] https://imgur.com/cCq85nI https://imgur.com/cCq85nI

nadams 11y ago
Which I think does add to my point - especially if you are a remote worker. The cost of living in a small suburbia town will be different than living in Silicon Valley. I don't think he has to deal with remote workers - but automatically disqualifying someone based on how much they ask just rubs me the wrong way.

serve_yay 11y ago

To him a junior dev is not worth $100k, it doesn't matter what Glassdoor says. The thing about not negotiating simply means that he asks you your number, and then makes a binary decision based on that number. As opposed to trying to get you to agree to a lower figure, your number is either acceptable to him or not. If so, hired; if not, not.

calevans 11y ago

Salary is a very tricky thing. Yes, there are locations that pay a Jr. developer $100k or more. My bias is showing in that I don't live on one of those areas. That still does not change how I handle salaries. However, I left out a critical part. Yes, I like hiring remote developers. Yes, I like paying each developer what they feel they are worth so that they are comfortable with the job and not always looking for the next thing. HOWEVER, before I start looking for a developer to hire I have to assess what the position is worth to the company. Regardless of geographic norms for the developer, if the position of Jr. is not worth $100k to the company, then I will dismiss the candidate because others will provide similar value and within my range. I want everyone to be comfortable with the salary being paid. That includes the developer I am hiring, the company I am hiring them for, and myself. The person who will be held responsible for the decision.