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Then don't by a "smart refrigerator" or connect your refrigerator to the internet. IoT isn't being forced on people, people are embracing IoT.

by watty 11y ago

dubwubz 11y ago
Were you not around for the Samsung smart TV outrage? People certainly weren't embracing it then, but complaining about how hard it was to find non-"smart" TVs.
falcolas 11y ago
How long will that be an option? There's a lot of benefits to the refrigerator makers to include IoT access, and cross-marketing opportunities with various brands out there. Just look at the current TV market for how pervasive these things can get.
- _lce0 11y ago
  manufacturers are just steps away to place some internal 3g-like connection inside the device, so they will not need to rely on the user's connection -- while the tech is there, it's not cost effective (yet) once there, we are doom
  - micheljansen 11y ago
    This is happening already: Kindles come with 3G (though still optional) and many new cars are now sold with a 3G connection.
alkonaut 11y ago
You basically can't buy a TV these days and NOT connect it to the Internet, as the buggy firmware isn't fixed until long after is sold. Granted, you can use a usb stick and patch it yourself every now and then, much like your car is updated at service (but how long until cars are updated, and hacked, remotely?)
- neonfreon 11y ago
  Easy solution: don't configure wifi on the TV.
  - pdkl95 11y ago
    That is harder that it sounds in many places, because you don't get to (easily) control the radio signals that cross your house. Windows set a (very bad) precedent a long time ago that devices auto-connect to new networks, so your TV could be using your neighbor's wifi automatically. That's just the short term problem while 802.11 chips are the cheap device preferred by hardware manufacturers. This will get a lot harder to block when the LTE/WiMAX/HSPA/etc chips become cheaper and the device manufacturers start negotiating deals with the network owners for cheap low-priority batch-job rates. Your TV can store what you've been watching as long as necessary, and upload whenever the cellular network is quiet. Precedent for embedding a cellular radio already exists with "onstar". I seriously doubt anybody checks that their electronic devices aren't uploading personal data at 3:27AM once or twice a week.

Then don't by a "smart refrigerator" or connect your refrigerator to the internet. IoT isn't being forced on people, people are embracing IoT.

by watty 11y ago

Then don't by a "smart refrigerator" or connect your refrigerator to the internet. IoT isn't being forced on people, people are embracing IoT.

dubwubz 11y ago

Were you not around for the Samsung smart TV outrage? People certainly weren't embracing it then, but complaining about how hard it was to find non-"smart" TVs.

falcolas 11y ago

How long will that be an option? There's a lot of benefits to the refrigerator makers to include IoT access, and cross-marketing opportunities with various brands out there. Just look at the current TV market for how pervasive these things can get.

_lce0 11y ago
manufacturers are just steps away to place some internal 3g-like connection inside the device, so they will not need to rely on the user's connection -- while the tech is there, it's not cost effective (yet) once there, we are doom
- micheljansen 11y ago
  This is happening already: Kindles come with 3G (though still optional) and many new cars are now sold with a 3G connection.

alkonaut 11y ago

You basically can't buy a TV these days and NOT connect it to the Internet, as the buggy firmware isn't fixed until long after is sold. Granted, you can use a usb stick and patch it yourself every now and then, much like your car is updated at service (but how long until cars are updated, and hacked, remotely?)

neonfreon 11y ago
Easy solution: don't configure wifi on the TV.
- pdkl95 11y ago
  That is harder that it sounds in many places, because you don't get to (easily) control the radio signals that cross your house. Windows set a (very bad) precedent a long time ago that devices auto-connect to new networks, so your TV could be using your neighbor's wifi automatically. That's just the short term problem while 802.11 chips are the cheap device preferred by hardware manufacturers. This will get a lot harder to block when the LTE/WiMAX/HSPA/etc chips become cheaper and the device manufacturers start negotiating deals with the network owners for cheap low-priority batch-job rates. Your TV can store what you've been watching as long as necessary, and upload whenever the cellular network is quiet. Precedent for embedding a cellular radio already exists with "onstar". I seriously doubt anybody checks that their electronic devices aren't uploading personal data at 3:27AM once or twice a week.