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Our "C" rated SSL is "modern cryptography" on Chrome - because we offer ECDHE_RSA/AES_128_GCM - but because we also offer RC4, because eCommerce, and bloody win

Our "C" rated SSL is "modern cryptography" on Chrome - because we offer ECDHE_RSA/AES_128_GCM - but because we also offer RC4, because eCommerce, and bloody winXP users still existing, and still being a source of revenue. They do win a "UPGRADE YOUR BROWSER, SUCKER, YOU ARE INSECURE!" banner, but we will have to keep RC4 available for as long as Windows XP continues to provide >1% of our clients' revenue.

Daneel_ 12y ago
You don't need to use RC4 to support windows xp with IE8 - you can even get away with using TLS1.0 and above. If you need to support IE6 though, then yeah, you're stuck :/ The cipher list below (for apache) should work just fine with XP/IE8 and later, but still net you an A+ in ssl labs, with a bit of other work. SSLCipherSuite ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA384:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA128:DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA384:DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA128:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA384:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA128:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA128:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA128:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:ECDHE-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA:EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA:AES128-GCM-SHA384:AES128-GCM-SHA128:AES128-SHA128:AES128-SHA128:AES128-SHA:AES128-SHA:DES-CBC3-SHA:HIGH:!aNULL:!eNULL:!EXPORT:!DES:!MD5:!PSK:!RC4 SSLProtocol All -SSLv2 -SSLv3 SSLHonorCipherOrder On
davidben 12y ago
SSLLabs capping server scores for just supporting RC4 is kind of silly. The server gets to pick the cipher and the Finished message authenticates the rest of the handshake. So long as the key exchange portion is strong enough (and that's orthogonal to the bulk cipher, although if you're supporting XP, that's probably plain RSA and not ECDHE_RSA), the handshake has downgrade protection. You can securely[1] negotiate GCM with modern browsers while still accepting legacy things for older ones. Just order your ciphers right. [1] I'm handwaving the version fallback. You'll want to also support FALLBACK_SCSV, which SSLLabs also checks for, until that thing is gone for good.
vtlynch 12y ago
Remember that "modern cryptography" message in Chrome is presented per connection, so on your new browser you get the ECC cipher with that message. But people on old browsers may be served RC4 and get "obsolete cryptography" as their message. SSL Labs instead gives a holistic approach and thats why it considers the best and worst potential set up.
yuhong 12y ago
Most older SSL/TLS clients do support 3DES, the problem being that it is relatively slow.

Daneel_ 12y ago

You don't need to use RC4 to support windows xp with IE8 - you can even get away with using TLS1.0 and above. If you need to support IE6 though, then yeah, you're stuck :/ The cipher list below (for apache) should work just fine with XP/IE8 and later, but still net you an A+ in ssl labs, with a bit of other work. SSLCipherSuite ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA384:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA128:DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA384:DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA128:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA384:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA128:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA128:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA128:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:ECDHE-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA:EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA:AES128-GCM-SHA384:AES128-GCM-SHA128:AES128-SHA128:AES128-SHA128:AES128-SHA:AES128-SHA:DES-CBC3-SHA:HIGH:!aNULL:!eNULL:!EXPORT:!DES:!MD5:!PSK:!RC4 SSLProtocol All -SSLv2 -SSLv3 SSLHonorCipherOrder On

davidben 12y ago

SSLLabs capping server scores for just supporting RC4 is kind of silly. The server gets to pick the cipher and the Finished message authenticates the rest of the handshake. So long as the key exchange portion is strong enough (and that's orthogonal to the bulk cipher, although if you're supporting XP, that's probably plain RSA and not ECDHE_RSA), the handshake has downgrade protection. You can securely[1] negotiate GCM with modern browsers while still accepting legacy things for older ones. Just order your ciphers right. [1] I'm handwaving the version fallback. You'll want to also support FALLBACK_SCSV, which SSLLabs also checks for, until that thing is gone for good.

vtlynch 12y ago

Remember that "modern cryptography" message in Chrome is presented per connection, so on your new browser you get the ECC cipher with that message. But people on old browsers may be served RC4 and get "obsolete cryptography" as their message. SSL Labs instead gives a holistic approach and thats why it considers the best and worst potential set up.

yuhong 12y ago

Most older SSL/TLS clients do support 3DES, the problem being that it is relatively slow.