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I for one am hoping that this catches on, walled garden or not I'd rather spend my time reading content on an interface that I don't have to fight against (e.g.

by dcosson 11y ago

I for one am hoping that this catches on, walled garden or not I'd rather spend my time reading content on an interface that I don't have to fight against (e.g. full screen overlay ads with a tiny x to close) and I trust facebook to build that better than anyone else. I'm also surprised publishers are going along with it though, it seems a little ironic. The only reason this product is interesting is because so many mobile articles today have horrible UIs. Native views will probably be nicer anyway but publishers could mostly fix this right now if they were willing to give up my accidental ad clicks. But instead they need someone like facebook to save them from themselves in order to make their content consumable again.

dcosson 11y ago
Also, I've seen a few things recently talking about how as it continues to get easier engineering-wise to build consumer sites/apps quickly and scale them to big audiences, design becomes an even more important differentiator. This facebook launch is an interesting counter example to that idea in that they'll own much of the design and UI.
- TeMPOraL 11y ago
  "Design as differentiator" is the problem. There is an optimal way to design for readability, and all that "differentiation" usually does is making things worse and worse, because "we have to be different!".
mtbcoder 11y ago
> I'd rather spend my time reading content on an interface that I don't have to fight against (e.g. full screen overlay ads with a tiny x to close) RSS readers solved this problem a long time ago.
- emodendroket 11y ago
  As far as I can tell the hegemony of Google Reader kind of stunted the growth of everything else.
  - timboslice 11y ago
    I never thought of it that way, but it makes sense. The rise of RSS in the mid 2000's gave way to all sorts of plugins to inject ads into your RSS feeds as a way to cope with the lost web traffic
- morley 11y ago
  RSS didn't solve the adoption problem, nor the "it just works" problem.
adrenalinup 11y ago
By the way, there is an extension that removes overlays on any website and doesn't require any permissions, Behind The Overlay => https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/behindtheoverlay/ljipkdpcjbmhkdjjmbbaggebcednbbme/reviews?hl=en https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/behindtheoverlay/l... It's activated by clicking the icon or by using a keyboard shortcut (cmd+shit+x). So there is at least one single way to close any overlay on any website.
beagle3 11y ago
AdBlockPlus / uBlock Origin user here - I haven't seen an overlay ad (or for that matter, a non-overlay ad) in years now. And, no, I don't feel guilty - I might have felt guilty if I only paid for ads with my attention (I'm not sure though - I don't feel guilty ignoring the ads on a print newspaper). But allowing ads through means you give 20 or so organizations with questionable ethics complete info about your web use, including (but not limited) to when and what -- and those 20 organizations sell that info to the highest bidder. No, I don't feel guilty at all.
- adrenalinup 11y ago
  Overlays often have ask users to like some page on facebook, or to subscribe to some mailing list, it's not advertising. But you need to make a click to close it.
  - beagle3 11y ago
    uBlock and AdBlockPlus make them go away, at least on website I frequent. And facebook is one of those questionable ethics organizations I mentioned. The mere existence of a "Like" button (whether you click it or not) in 99.99% of the cases already gives facebook all the info about your surfing habits.

by dcosson 11y ago

dcosson 11y ago

Also, I've seen a few things recently talking about how as it continues to get easier engineering-wise to build consumer sites/apps quickly and scale them to big audiences, design becomes an even more important differentiator. This facebook launch is an interesting counter example to that idea in that they'll own much of the design and UI.

TeMPOraL 11y ago
"Design as differentiator" is the problem. There is an optimal way to design for readability, and all that "differentiation" usually does is making things worse and worse, because "we have to be different!".

mtbcoder 11y ago

> I'd rather spend my time reading content on an interface that I don't have to fight against (e.g. full screen overlay ads with a tiny x to close) RSS readers solved this problem a long time ago.

emodendroket 11y ago
As far as I can tell the hegemony of Google Reader kind of stunted the growth of everything else.
- timboslice 11y ago
  I never thought of it that way, but it makes sense. The rise of RSS in the mid 2000's gave way to all sorts of plugins to inject ads into your RSS feeds as a way to cope with the lost web traffic
morley 11y ago
RSS didn't solve the adoption problem, nor the "it just works" problem.

adrenalinup 11y ago

By the way, there is an extension that removes overlays on any website and doesn't require any permissions, Behind The Overlay => https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/behindtheoverlay/ljipkdpcjbmhkdjjmbbaggebcednbbme/reviews?hl=en https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/behindtheoverlay/l... It's activated by clicking the icon or by using a keyboard shortcut (cmd+shit+x). So there is at least one single way to close any overlay on any website.

beagle3 11y ago

AdBlockPlus / uBlock Origin user here - I haven't seen an overlay ad (or for that matter, a non-overlay ad) in years now. And, no, I don't feel guilty - I might have felt guilty if I only paid for ads with my attention (I'm not sure though - I don't feel guilty ignoring the ads on a print newspaper). But allowing ads through means you give 20 or so organizations with questionable ethics complete info about your web use, including (but not limited) to when and what -- and those 20 organizations sell that info to the highest bidder. No, I don't feel guilty at all.

adrenalinup 11y ago
Overlays often have ask users to like some page on facebook, or to subscribe to some mailing list, it's not advertising. But you need to make a click to close it.
- beagle3 11y ago
  uBlock and AdBlockPlus make them go away, at least on website I frequent. And facebook is one of those questionable ethics organizations I mentioned. The mere existence of a "Like" button (whether you click it or not) in 99.99% of the cases already gives facebook all the info about your surfing habits.