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Could anyone tl;dr that? I guess those "The long read" articles are not for me. That one is a very long article with almost no visible structure. It only has p

by vog 11y ago

Could anyone tl;dr that? I guess those "The long read" articles are not for me. That one is a very long article with almost no visible structure. It only has paragraphs, but no sections, summary, or anything like that.

Andrenid 11y ago
TL;DR - Eve Online went to the edge of apocalypse and back.
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ghshephard 11y ago
It's a medium read at 5,000 words. Took me about 10 minutes to read, and even a slow reader should get through it in about 15-20 minutes. It's an excellent review of the history, mechanics, people, and themes associated with Eve Online. Worth the 20 minutes of your time if you have interest in online communities, and aren't already well versed in Eve. Might be and interesting read for people who are well versed in Eve anyways.
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- alexc05 11y ago
  I actually started reading it, but was rather bored with it quite quickly. It just didn't appeal to me. I do however, greatly respect the HN community and if this was interesting enough to get to the front page, I found myself curious as to the reason it got a significant number of upvotes. "Edge of Apocolypse" is VERY hyperbolic and meaningless, but the TLDR; that was eventually posted at the very least satisfied my "curiosity gap" I for one am thankful that the TLDR has been posted.
gr3yh47 11y ago
tl;dr: Someone got betrayed by an ingame friend and lost approximately 10K pounds (real money) worth of virtual assets. Players were pissed the developer didn't do anything, and 500 people left the game over it. The game almost collapsed. Then there was a news article about the incident, and 5000 people joined the game.
- vog 11y ago
  Thanks! A straight answer to a straight question. Much appreciated. Sounds like it will be worth the time to read that article.
- codeulike 11y ago
  And, importantly: That incident was way back in 2005 and set a precedent for how the game would be played in future: espionage, counter-espionage, huge complex teams, and battles and sabotages that cause damage to in-game assets with real-world values estimated in the tens of thousands of dollars. edit: see also recent metafilter comment discussing the lengths people go to in espionage/counter espionage in EVE online http://ask.metafilter.com/278002/Are-there-any-hobbyist-espionage-groups#4031599 http://ask.metafilter.com/278002/Are-there-any-hobbyist-espi...
  - Squarel 11y ago
    the metagame in Eve also happens way outside of the null sec areas, figuring out which character is a new incarnation of an old scammer by many hours of internet digging is an entertaining way to spend time while waiting for your wallet to blink, as well as digging deep to find links between people who are setting up loan and bond offerings. Not as much impact on the game as the null sec meta-gaming, but nonetheless it is oddly satisfying when you have had a "feeling" about someone, and then after working with a few others with chat log cross-checking, internet digging, and generally being very suspicious of everything you end up finding the final pieces which put it all together, and (hopefully) put paid to their loan/bond/trading scams (until their next alt pops up).....at which point the whole thing starts over again.
erikb 11y ago
Posts like this are always downvoted but they are very valid. Many people read at a 5 minute break at work. You can't spend 30 minutes on a full blown article in that time frame. So thanks for posting that so I didn't have to take the downvotes! ;)
- codeulike 11y ago
  But at least we know to scroll right to the bottom for the TLDR
  - vog 11y ago
    Are you saying that this article has a summary or TLDR at the bottom? I didn't find any.
    - codeulike 11y ago
      I'm saying that the HN comments have a TLDR at the bottom, because everyone downvotes it
lmm 11y ago
No - it's not trying to make a point, it's a history of Eve. It would be like trying to tl;dr Andrew Marr's History of Modern Britain.
- qbrass 11y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Marr%27s_History_of_Modern_Britain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Marr%27s_History_of_Mod...
  - lmm 11y ago
    I wouldn't call that a tl;dr.
hnnewguy 11y ago
>It only has paragraphs, but no sections, summary, or anything like that. Almost like a book. I pity the "tl;dr"/buzzfeed generation.
- vog 11y ago
  > Almost like a book Books do have structure. They have sections, although these are named chapters. They have a summary at the back. Also, many books provide an "Introduction" and/or "Abstract" section (frankly, novels don't have that, but there are more interesting books out there than just novels). > I pity the "tl;dr"/buzzfeed generation Me too. When deciding what to read, I think it's better to filter the article to read by their summary (if they had one), rather than merely by their short, link-baity titles.

by vog 11y ago

Andrenid 11y ago

TL;DR - Eve Online went to the edge of apocalypse and back.

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ghshephard 11y ago

It's a medium read at 5,000 words. Took me about 10 minutes to read, and even a slow reader should get through it in about 15-20 minutes. It's an excellent review of the history, mechanics, people, and themes associated with Eve Online. Worth the 20 minutes of your time if you have interest in online communities, and aren't already well versed in Eve. Might be and interesting read for people who are well versed in Eve anyways.

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alexc05 11y ago
I actually started reading it, but was rather bored with it quite quickly. It just didn't appeal to me. I do however, greatly respect the HN community and if this was interesting enough to get to the front page, I found myself curious as to the reason it got a significant number of upvotes. "Edge of Apocolypse" is VERY hyperbolic and meaningless, but the TLDR; that was eventually posted at the very least satisfied my "curiosity gap" I for one am thankful that the TLDR has been posted.

gr3yh47 11y ago

tl;dr: Someone got betrayed by an ingame friend and lost approximately 10K pounds (real money) worth of virtual assets. Players were pissed the developer didn't do anything, and 500 people left the game over it. The game almost collapsed. Then there was a news article about the incident, and 5000 people joined the game.

vog 11y ago
Thanks! A straight answer to a straight question. Much appreciated. Sounds like it will be worth the time to read that article.
codeulike 11y ago
And, importantly: That incident was way back in 2005 and set a precedent for how the game would be played in future: espionage, counter-espionage, huge complex teams, and battles and sabotages that cause damage to in-game assets with real-world values estimated in the tens of thousands of dollars. edit: see also recent metafilter comment discussing the lengths people go to in espionage/counter espionage in EVE online http://ask.metafilter.com/278002/Are-there-any-hobbyist-espionage-groups#4031599 http://ask.metafilter.com/278002/Are-there-any-hobbyist-espi...
- Squarel 11y ago
  the metagame in Eve also happens way outside of the null sec areas, figuring out which character is a new incarnation of an old scammer by many hours of internet digging is an entertaining way to spend time while waiting for your wallet to blink, as well as digging deep to find links between people who are setting up loan and bond offerings. Not as much impact on the game as the null sec meta-gaming, but nonetheless it is oddly satisfying when you have had a "feeling" about someone, and then after working with a few others with chat log cross-checking, internet digging, and generally being very suspicious of everything you end up finding the final pieces which put it all together, and (hopefully) put paid to their loan/bond/trading scams (until their next alt pops up).....at which point the whole thing starts over again.

erikb 11y ago

Posts like this are always downvoted but they are very valid. Many people read at a 5 minute break at work. You can't spend 30 minutes on a full blown article in that time frame. So thanks for posting that so I didn't have to take the downvotes! ;)

codeulike 11y ago
But at least we know to scroll right to the bottom for the TLDR
- vog 11y ago
  Are you saying that this article has a summary or TLDR at the bottom? I didn't find any.
  - codeulike 11y ago
    I'm saying that the HN comments have a TLDR at the bottom, because everyone downvotes it

lmm 11y ago

No - it's not trying to make a point, it's a history of Eve. It would be like trying to tl;dr Andrew Marr's History of Modern Britain.

qbrass 11y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Marr%27s_History_of_Modern_Britain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Marr%27s_History_of_Mod...
- lmm 11y ago
  I wouldn't call that a tl;dr.

hnnewguy 11y ago

>It only has paragraphs, but no sections, summary, or anything like that. Almost like a book. I pity the "tl;dr"/buzzfeed generation.

vog 11y ago
> Almost like a book Books do have structure. They have sections, although these are named chapters. They have a summary at the back. Also, many books provide an "Introduction" and/or "Abstract" section (frankly, novels don't have that, but there are more interesting books out there than just novels). > I pity the "tl;dr"/buzzfeed generation Me too. When deciding what to read, I think it's better to filter the article to read by their summary (if they had one), rather than merely by their short, link-baity titles.