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"In every country in the world..." Obviously including extreme male centered societies like Iran and Saudi Arabia "middle-aged men are most at risk" So obvious

"In every country in the world..." Obviously including extreme male centered societies like Iran and Saudi Arabia "middle-aged men are most at risk" So obviously not a recent attack on male children. Indeed the problem is greatest among people who are older then the average poster to this thread let alone their often hypothetical children. There is obviously a serious problem here, apparently related to age, and instead of a sensible discussion it's shoehorned into some men's right agenda. It appears that HN is frequented by individuals so extremist it clouds even their basic critical thinking. It makes about as much sense as claiming George Price's mental illness didn't cause his suicide but his generosity did it. Or voting to the front page an article about ending the fiscal "evils" of democracy by building an unseaworthy boat.

arprocter 11y ago
How do you know the average age of the people in this thread? From the linked article - "In 2013, if you were a man between the ages of 20 and 49 who’d died, the most likely cause was not assault nor car crash nor drug abuse nor heart attack, but a decision that you didn’t wish to live any more". Dismissing the people who try to talk about these issues and branding everyone 'MRAs' seems like an attempt to kill any discussion, normally by those who cannot argue with the statistics.
- whybroke 11y ago
  From the World health organization, the age group with the highest suicide is 45 - 54 That group used to be the 4th most at risk, now it is the most. But as important as this issue is, some of the most upvoted posts include: "TV...only show men as drunken idiots", "We're turning into a bunch of sissy, touchy feely men", "This is a product of the wrong people continuously trying to redefine masculinity", "The issue has ... everything to do with the current crop of overly loud feminists" So yes, any discussion was annihilated by MRAs griping about TV shows, feminists and "good ol' fashioned values" because we can safely say none of this is why a 50 year old or Iraq vet kill themselves. You have a screwed up economy, a society that throws away anyone over 45 and utterly inadequate social protections of any sort, even to vets, because that's "socialist". And some of the people most damaged by it have had their justifiable anger mindless redirected at women and TV. Actually the only thing accomplished here was to make hn just a little more of laughable to recruitment managers.
  - marrs 11y ago
    How do you know these things are not affecting those men? Do men in their 50s not watch TV? Indeed, are they not more likely to exhibit behaviour that is old-fashioned or no longer tolerated? Are they not more likely to feel isolated or misunderstood by society, especially one that is rapidly changing? Often it is the subtle, everyday things that you can't put your finger on that trouble the subconscious the most. So while an advert here or a comment there might be inconsequential, years or even decades of constant exposure will take its toll.
  - arprocter 11y ago
    Is that figure you quote from the WHO worldwide? The article we are discussing is about the UK - I agree that there are different situations in different countries. In the UK there has been a lot of talk about how austerity measures have effected people at the bottom of the food chain - people's pensions cut, social welfare limits etc.

arprocter 11y ago

How do you know the average age of the people in this thread? From the linked article - "In 2013, if you were a man between the ages of 20 and 49 who’d died, the most likely cause was not assault nor car crash nor drug abuse nor heart attack, but a decision that you didn’t wish to live any more". Dismissing the people who try to talk about these issues and branding everyone 'MRAs' seems like an attempt to kill any discussion, normally by those who cannot argue with the statistics.

whybroke 11y ago
From the World health organization, the age group with the highest suicide is 45 - 54 That group used to be the 4th most at risk, now it is the most. But as important as this issue is, some of the most upvoted posts include: "TV...only show men as drunken idiots", "We're turning into a bunch of sissy, touchy feely men", "This is a product of the wrong people continuously trying to redefine masculinity", "The issue has ... everything to do with the current crop of overly loud feminists" So yes, any discussion was annihilated by MRAs griping about TV shows, feminists and "good ol' fashioned values" because we can safely say none of this is why a 50 year old or Iraq vet kill themselves. You have a screwed up economy, a society that throws away anyone over 45 and utterly inadequate social protections of any sort, even to vets, because that's "socialist". And some of the people most damaged by it have had their justifiable anger mindless redirected at women and TV. Actually the only thing accomplished here was to make hn just a little more of laughable to recruitment managers.
- marrs 11y ago
  How do you know these things are not affecting those men? Do men in their 50s not watch TV? Indeed, are they not more likely to exhibit behaviour that is old-fashioned or no longer tolerated? Are they not more likely to feel isolated or misunderstood by society, especially one that is rapidly changing? Often it is the subtle, everyday things that you can't put your finger on that trouble the subconscious the most. So while an advert here or a comment there might be inconsequential, years or even decades of constant exposure will take its toll.
- arprocter 11y ago
  Is that figure you quote from the WHO worldwide? The article we are discussing is about the UK - I agree that there are different situations in different countries. In the UK there has been a lot of talk about how austerity measures have effected people at the bottom of the food chain - people's pensions cut, social welfare limits etc.