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Doesn't this just mean that the will rob you _and_ additionally charge you with some made-up crime and let you rot in jail until you sign the plea deal?

pionar 11y ago
> additionally charge you with some made-up crime and let you rot in jail until you sign the plea deal There are supposed to be other protections for this. The sixth amendment, for instance, says: "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial...", which means that they can't just "let you rot in jail." In practice, though, sometimes you do rot in jail. :/
- spacemanmatt 11y ago
  In the face of such tilted odds, some people consider themselves freedom fighters more than criminals. Perspective matters.
- falcolas 11y ago
  Speedy public trials, in this day and age, can take a year or more from the time of conviction. That's a long time to spend in jail - a location where you have no real freedoms.
  - wahsd 11y ago
    That's the worst part of it, this process of flagrant violation of the Constitution. In essence, the government has become a treasonous organization in direct violation and contradiction to the Constitution. If the original authors could define a speedy trial in terms of days and a couple weeks, there is no rational justification for why in this day and age a speedy trial can't be a matter of minutes or hours, or at worst days. The most dangerous enemy is the one within and the traitor in your midst.
    - tracker1 11y ago
      Are minutes/hours/days really enough for a defense counsel? Many times not... the time it takes to get to trial isn't only a matter of the government letting you rot. Not to mention that a given backlog and limited number of judges, the formation of juries, etc.
- LordKano 11y ago
  "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial..." That varies from state to state. In my state, the District Attorney just has to get you to trial within a year of your arrest. Not showing up to work for a year because you couldn't afford bail can have a negative impact on one's finances, to say the least.
talmand 11y ago
There's a difference between being charged and convicted. If the text is correct, they can't rob you until you've been convicted of a crime in a court of law. So that means while you rot in jail under a fake charge you at least still have your stuff. Which you will then start to sell off so you can afford the legal defense required to fight the false charges. A person can be found innocent of all charges but still be wiped out financially from defending themselves. That's called "justice".
- Lawtonfogle 11y ago
  >A person can be found innocent of all charges but still be wiped out financially from defending themselves. That's called "justice". And say the false charge was one with a social stigma, say child molestation. Now not only are you financially wiped out, not only have you lost your job, but your name is now tied with a crime which people will often not care if you were found not guilty (or even found innocent). And the only thing you can do to stop it is to say a prayer that you aren't going to be the next one wrongly charged.

pionar 11y ago

> additionally charge you with some made-up crime and let you rot in jail until you sign the plea deal There are supposed to be other protections for this. The sixth amendment, for instance, says: "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial...", which means that they can't just "let you rot in jail." In practice, though, sometimes you do rot in jail. :/

spacemanmatt 11y ago
In the face of such tilted odds, some people consider themselves freedom fighters more than criminals. Perspective matters.
falcolas 11y ago
Speedy public trials, in this day and age, can take a year or more from the time of conviction. That's a long time to spend in jail - a location where you have no real freedoms.
- wahsd 11y ago
  That's the worst part of it, this process of flagrant violation of the Constitution. In essence, the government has become a treasonous organization in direct violation and contradiction to the Constitution. If the original authors could define a speedy trial in terms of days and a couple weeks, there is no rational justification for why in this day and age a speedy trial can't be a matter of minutes or hours, or at worst days. The most dangerous enemy is the one within and the traitor in your midst.
  - tracker1 11y ago
    Are minutes/hours/days really enough for a defense counsel? Many times not... the time it takes to get to trial isn't only a matter of the government letting you rot. Not to mention that a given backlog and limited number of judges, the formation of juries, etc.
LordKano 11y ago
"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial..." That varies from state to state. In my state, the District Attorney just has to get you to trial within a year of your arrest. Not showing up to work for a year because you couldn't afford bail can have a negative impact on one's finances, to say the least.

talmand 11y ago

There's a difference between being charged and convicted. If the text is correct, they can't rob you until you've been convicted of a crime in a court of law. So that means while you rot in jail under a fake charge you at least still have your stuff. Which you will then start to sell off so you can afford the legal defense required to fight the false charges. A person can be found innocent of all charges but still be wiped out financially from defending themselves. That's called "justice".

Lawtonfogle 11y ago
>A person can be found innocent of all charges but still be wiped out financially from defending themselves. That's called "justice". And say the false charge was one with a social stigma, say child molestation. Now not only are you financially wiped out, not only have you lost your job, but your name is now tied with a crime which people will often not care if you were found not guilty (or even found innocent). And the only thing you can do to stop it is to say a prayer that you aren't going to be the next one wrongly charged.