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That's the thing. Adria Richards inhabits a world where many women — Kathy Sierra, etc etc — get death and rape threats DAILY. To their families too. SWAT teams

That's the thing. Adria Richards inhabits a world where many women — Kathy Sierra, etc etc — get death and rape threats DAILY. To their families too. SWAT teams ordered to their house. As far as I'm concerned, Adria Richards did pretty much zero wrong. Such a backwards world with its daily bullshit will get on your nerves and make you snap one day. No way in hell would I ever comment on whether Adria Richards was ever a less-than-pleasant snowflake, because that'd make me part of the problem.

littletimmy 11y ago
> As far as I'm concerned, Adria Richards did pretty much zero wrong. Such a backwards world with its daily bullshit will get on your nerves and make you snap. You can make that argument about literally anyone who is oppressed. A black man in a ghetto might get tired of being in a shitty situation all his life and "snap" to shoot up a police station. That does not mean he "did pretty much zero wrong". In general, your trials and tribulations should not become somebody else's trials and tribulations. Adria Richards did a lot of wrong when she tried to ruin someone else's life because she didn't find a joke funny. And no, saying that does not make me "part of the problem".
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- calibraxis 11y ago
  Usually uninteresting to respond to racist comments about black people shooting up police stations (clearly unconcerned that people are strangled in broad daylight by the state, and 14 year olds get their heads rammed through windows [1]), but so people aren't misled by this poster's uncited "[S]he tried to ruin someone else's life..." - Richards "stated that she had no intention or wish that he lose his job." [2] - She stated surprise at the powder keg: "I don’t think anyone who was part of what happened at PyCon that day could possibly have imagined how this issue would have exploded into the public consciousness the way it has. I certainly did not, and now that the severest of consequences have manifested, all I wish to do is find the good in what has been one of the most challenging weeks of my life." [3] She didn't shoot up a police station. (Just because she's an African-American, doesn't mean she did. If she resorted to killing, that... would indeed be a questionable decision.) It was a tweet with a pic. This poster is an excellent illustration that many of us dudebros are far more concerned that we'll be caught on Twitter over dick jokes at a "professional" conference, than death/rape threats to women. It's like Game of Thrones. I personally have worked with such bozo programmers who literally said "Penis? Penis." or "Is that homo?" all fucking day. Such manchild individuals, coddled in the software industry, are the problem. Make them angry, the manchild mob will threaten your life. [1] http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/05/no-charges-for-cop-stops-and-frisks-14-year-old-boy/ http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/05/no-charges-for-cop-sto... [2] http://venturebeat.com/2013/03/27/adria-richards-speaks-on-women-men-and-tech-but-not-a-certain-fired-developer/ http://venturebeat.com/2013/03/27/adria-richards-speaks-on-w... [3] http://allthingsd.com/20130327/fired-sendgrid-developer-evangelist-adria-richards-speaks-out/ http://allthingsd.com/20130327/fired-sendgrid-developer-evan...
- jellicle 11y ago
  > Adria Richards did a lot of wrong when she tried to ruin someone else's life Since ludicrous lies like yours are so common, I feel compelled to reiterate that the sum total of what Ms. Richards did was say something was "not cool" and ask the convention organizers "Can someone talk to these guys about their conduct?" Those two direct quotes are the complete entirety of her actions against them.
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  - Dewie3 11y ago
    Saying that it was "not cool" on social media, causing a shit-storm (hence, mob morality). She could have just notified the organizers and have them deal with it, and be done with it. Maybe talk to the guys if she felt comfortable with that, but obviously she didn't. I don't hold that against her. But instead she had to go the extra mile and tweet it in a state of fury and indignant rage. Sharing/shaming people on social media in order to get revenge; always an advisable move. Like being drunk and deciding that you should give that guy who you've always had a problem with "a piece of your mind". But surely, she couldn't have foreseen that sharing something like that might cost one of the guys his job? Except her job had to do with PR and social media. Come on; she knew what she was doing. She knows what kind of power having many followers on Twitter grants you. She knows how touchy this whole gender/women/tech topic is. And she wasn't sorry about it later. Well, that was a nice trip down memory lane...
    - humanrebar 11y ago
      > Maybe talk to the guys if she felt comfortable with that, but obviously she didn't. I don't hold that against her. I do. They weren't going to assault her in public or anything. I'll bet a donut against a Kobe steak that if she (or a friend of hers) politely told those guys that she could hear them and that they were being disrespectful, they would blush and stop with the puerile jokes.
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- calibraxis 11y ago
  Wow, clearly those people are monsters. Threatening your children and family? If you don't mind, I will not give a damn about any "boorish behavior" you might be guilty of. (Assuming it isn't something horrifically oppressive.) Rather, people should prefer to support you regarding the threats to your children. Hope that's reasonable?
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BoxKeyboard 11y ago
> As far as I'm concerned, Adria Richards did pretty much zero wrong. That's silly. The article posted by Amanda Blum above lists at least a couple different ways that Adria Richards could have handled the situation more constructively. It seems pretty obvious to most of us that nearly everyone involved acted wrong to some degree. The men shouldn't have been making the joke, Adria Richards shouldn't have posted the photo on Twitter, Play Haven and Sendgrid should've had more fortitude, etc. > No way in hell would I ever comment on whether Adria Richards was ever a less-than-pleasant snowflake, because that'd make me part of the problem. That's also silly. You're not allowed to have an opinion on someone because of their gender/ethnicity? Seems like a pretty sexist thing to say that a woman needs to be treated with kid gloves because of her gender.
asgard1024 11y ago
> As far as I'm concerned, Adria Richards did pretty much zero wrong. I reread this account: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5398681 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5398681 and I disagree. It doesn't deserve a death threat, no one does, but it is a sort of reckless, misguided behavior (at least, I think the guy would appreciate an upfront honesty). It reminds me of another lady, Anita Sarkeesian, who also received death threats. I sympathize with her, but I also watched her videos about Tropes vs. Women in Video Games and I can't escape the conclusion that she is little crazy. I really wonder how she managed to get such a collection of brutality, I have seen lot of things in porn myself, but this was just sickening. I really have to ask, why does she play these games? It seems to me that behavior these ladies engage in is just an equivalent of climbing a mountain, or similar adrenaline-filled activity. Apparently, there are people out there who misread this as some sort of sexual signal or they are mentally ill or whatever, so whether these women realize it or not, it is very risky. Just like if you fear heights, don't climb the mountains! It doesn't alleviate the risk of falling entirely, but significantly. Maybe a better comparison would be Charlie Hebdo attack. Sure, no one deserves to get killed over a joke, but still, poking fun at something that millions of people take extremely seriously is a risky proposition. I think free speech is important. There shouldn't be a social norm that bans (or causes shaming of) feminism, nor there should there be a social norm that bans anti-feminism. Both views can be extreme, but they are still legitimate.

littletimmy 11y ago

> As far as I'm concerned, Adria Richards did pretty much zero wrong. Such a backwards world with its daily bullshit will get on your nerves and make you snap. You can make that argument about literally anyone who is oppressed. A black man in a ghetto might get tired of being in a shitty situation all his life and "snap" to shoot up a police station. That does not mean he "did pretty much zero wrong". In general, your trials and tribulations should not become somebody else's trials and tribulations. Adria Richards did a lot of wrong when she tried to ruin someone else's life because she didn't find a joke funny. And no, saying that does not make me "part of the problem".

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calibraxis 11y ago
Usually uninteresting to respond to racist comments about black people shooting up police stations (clearly unconcerned that people are strangled in broad daylight by the state, and 14 year olds get their heads rammed through windows [1]), but so people aren't misled by this poster's uncited "[S]he tried to ruin someone else's life..." - Richards "stated that she had no intention or wish that he lose his job." [2] - She stated surprise at the powder keg: "I don’t think anyone who was part of what happened at PyCon that day could possibly have imagined how this issue would have exploded into the public consciousness the way it has. I certainly did not, and now that the severest of consequences have manifested, all I wish to do is find the good in what has been one of the most challenging weeks of my life." [3] She didn't shoot up a police station. (Just because she's an African-American, doesn't mean she did. If she resorted to killing, that... would indeed be a questionable decision.) It was a tweet with a pic. This poster is an excellent illustration that many of us dudebros are far more concerned that we'll be caught on Twitter over dick jokes at a "professional" conference, than death/rape threats to women. It's like Game of Thrones. I personally have worked with such bozo programmers who literally said "Penis? Penis." or "Is that homo?" all fucking day. Such manchild individuals, coddled in the software industry, are the problem. Make them angry, the manchild mob will threaten your life. [1] http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/05/no-charges-for-cop-stops-and-frisks-14-year-old-boy/ http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/05/no-charges-for-cop-sto... [2] http://venturebeat.com/2013/03/27/adria-richards-speaks-on-women-men-and-tech-but-not-a-certain-fired-developer/ http://venturebeat.com/2013/03/27/adria-richards-speaks-on-w... [3] http://allthingsd.com/20130327/fired-sendgrid-developer-evangelist-adria-richards-speaks-out/ http://allthingsd.com/20130327/fired-sendgrid-developer-evan...
jellicle 11y ago
> Adria Richards did a lot of wrong when she tried to ruin someone else's life Since ludicrous lies like yours are so common, I feel compelled to reiterate that the sum total of what Ms. Richards did was say something was "not cool" and ask the convention organizers "Can someone talk to these guys about their conduct?" Those two direct quotes are the complete entirety of her actions against them.
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- Dewie3 11y ago
  Saying that it was "not cool" on social media, causing a shit-storm (hence, mob morality). She could have just notified the organizers and have them deal with it, and be done with it. Maybe talk to the guys if she felt comfortable with that, but obviously she didn't. I don't hold that against her. But instead she had to go the extra mile and tweet it in a state of fury and indignant rage. Sharing/shaming people on social media in order to get revenge; always an advisable move. Like being drunk and deciding that you should give that guy who you've always had a problem with "a piece of your mind". But surely, she couldn't have foreseen that sharing something like that might cost one of the guys his job? Except her job had to do with PR and social media. Come on; she knew what she was doing. She knows what kind of power having many followers on Twitter grants you. She knows how touchy this whole gender/women/tech topic is. And she wasn't sorry about it later. Well, that was a nice trip down memory lane...
  - humanrebar 11y ago
    > Maybe talk to the guys if she felt comfortable with that, but obviously she didn't. I don't hold that against her. I do. They weren't going to assault her in public or anything. I'll bet a donut against a Kobe steak that if she (or a friend of hers) politely told those guys that she could hear them and that they were being disrespectful, they would blush and stop with the puerile jokes.
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calibraxis 11y ago
Wow, clearly those people are monsters. Threatening your children and family? If you don't mind, I will not give a damn about any "boorish behavior" you might be guilty of. (Assuming it isn't something horrifically oppressive.) Rather, people should prefer to support you regarding the threats to your children. Hope that's reasonable?
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BoxKeyboard 11y ago

> As far as I'm concerned, Adria Richards did pretty much zero wrong. That's silly. The article posted by Amanda Blum above lists at least a couple different ways that Adria Richards could have handled the situation more constructively. It seems pretty obvious to most of us that nearly everyone involved acted wrong to some degree. The men shouldn't have been making the joke, Adria Richards shouldn't have posted the photo on Twitter, Play Haven and Sendgrid should've had more fortitude, etc. > No way in hell would I ever comment on whether Adria Richards was ever a less-than-pleasant snowflake, because that'd make me part of the problem. That's also silly. You're not allowed to have an opinion on someone because of their gender/ethnicity? Seems like a pretty sexist thing to say that a woman needs to be treated with kid gloves because of her gender.

asgard1024 11y ago

> As far as I'm concerned, Adria Richards did pretty much zero wrong. I reread this account: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5398681 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5398681 and I disagree. It doesn't deserve a death threat, no one does, but it is a sort of reckless, misguided behavior (at least, I think the guy would appreciate an upfront honesty). It reminds me of another lady, Anita Sarkeesian, who also received death threats. I sympathize with her, but I also watched her videos about Tropes vs. Women in Video Games and I can't escape the conclusion that she is little crazy. I really wonder how she managed to get such a collection of brutality, I have seen lot of things in porn myself, but this was just sickening. I really have to ask, why does she play these games? It seems to me that behavior these ladies engage in is just an equivalent of climbing a mountain, or similar adrenaline-filled activity. Apparently, there are people out there who misread this as some sort of sexual signal or they are mentally ill or whatever, so whether these women realize it or not, it is very risky. Just like if you fear heights, don't climb the mountains! It doesn't alleviate the risk of falling entirely, but significantly. Maybe a better comparison would be Charlie Hebdo attack. Sure, no one deserves to get killed over a joke, but still, poking fun at something that millions of people take extremely seriously is a risky proposition. I think free speech is important. There shouldn't be a social norm that bans (or causes shaming of) feminism, nor there should there be a social norm that bans anti-feminism. Both views can be extreme, but they are still legitimate.