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While I think it's entirely appropriate that she got fired over the incident, nobody deserves the death and rape threats that she received.

peteretep 12y ago
I don't think anyone reasonable has suggested she did deserve them. The parent link however gives many more examples of her manufacturing and building outrage to try and self-promote, and attempting to whip up the mob to get her way.
- cperciva 12y ago
  It's certainly a cautionary tale about mobs turning on those who try to whip them up, yes. To a lesser degree this happens on an almost daily basis on Reddit when people and companies try to manipulate the crowd. My point is simply that, much like the game developer interviewed towards the end of the video who had participated in online shaming until she experienced it herself, Adria Richards' questionable actions do not make her any less a victim.
  - s_baby 12y ago
    >Adria Richards' questionable actions do not make her any less a victim. Yes they do. People are responsible for their actions. You're discussiong this as if it's some abstract ethical hypothetical. In the real world if you try to get ahead at other peoples expense then you should expect retaliation.
- calibraxis 12y ago
  That's the thing. Adria Richards inhabits a world where many women — Kathy Sierra, etc etc — get death and rape threats DAILY. To their families too. SWAT teams ordered to their house. As far as I'm concerned, Adria Richards did pretty much zero wrong. Such a backwards world with its daily bullshit will get on your nerves and make you snap one day. No way in hell would I ever comment on whether Adria Richards was ever a less-than-pleasant snowflake, because that'd make me part of the problem.
  - littletimmy 12y ago
    > As far as I'm concerned, Adria Richards did pretty much zero wrong. Such a backwards world with its daily bullshit will get on your nerves and make you snap. You can make that argument about literally anyone who is oppressed. A black man in a ghetto might get tired of being in a shitty situation all his life and "snap" to shoot up a police station. That does not mean he "did pretty much zero wrong". In general, your trials and tribulations should not become somebody else's trials and tribulations. Adria Richards did a lot of wrong when she tried to ruin someone else's life because she didn't find a joke funny. And no, saying that does not make me "part of the problem".
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    - calibraxis 12y ago
      Usually uninteresting to respond to racist comments about black people shooting up police stations (clearly unconcerned that people are strangled in broad daylight by the state, and 14 year olds get their heads rammed through windows [1]), but so people aren't misled by this poster's uncited "[S]he tried to ruin someone else's life..." - Richards "stated that she had no intention or wish that he lose his job." [2] - She stated surprise at the powder keg: "I don’t think anyone who was part of what happened at PyCon that day could possibly have imagined how this issue would have exploded into the public consciousness the way it has. I certainly did not, and now that the severest of consequences have manifested, all I wish to do is find the good in what has been one of the most challenging weeks of my life." [3] She didn't shoot up a police station. (Just because she's an African-American, doesn't mean she did. If she resorted to killing, that... would indeed be a questionable decision.) It was a tweet with a pic. This poster is an excellent illustration that many of us dudebros are far more concerned that we'll be caught on Twitter over dick jokes at a "professional" conference, than death/rape threats to women. It's like Game of Thrones. I personally have worked with such bozo programmers who literally said "Penis? Penis." or "Is that homo?" all fucking day. Such manchild individuals, coddled in the software industry, are the problem. Make them angry, the manchild mob will threaten your life. [1] http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/05/no-charges-for-cop-stops-and-frisks-14-year-old-boy/ http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/05/no-charges-for-cop-sto... [2] http://venturebeat.com/2013/03/27/adria-richards-speaks-on-women-men-and-tech-but-not-a-certain-fired-developer/ http://venturebeat.com/2013/03/27/adria-richards-speaks-on-w... [3] http://allthingsd.com/20130327/fired-sendgrid-developer-evangelist-adria-richards-speaks-out/ http://allthingsd.com/20130327/fired-sendgrid-developer-evan...

peteretep 12y ago

I don't think anyone reasonable has suggested she did deserve them. The parent link however gives many more examples of her manufacturing and building outrage to try and self-promote, and attempting to whip up the mob to get her way.

cperciva 12y ago
It's certainly a cautionary tale about mobs turning on those who try to whip them up, yes. To a lesser degree this happens on an almost daily basis on Reddit when people and companies try to manipulate the crowd. My point is simply that, much like the game developer interviewed towards the end of the video who had participated in online shaming until she experienced it herself, Adria Richards' questionable actions do not make her any less a victim.
- s_baby 12y ago
  >Adria Richards' questionable actions do not make her any less a victim. Yes they do. People are responsible for their actions. You're discussiong this as if it's some abstract ethical hypothetical. In the real world if you try to get ahead at other peoples expense then you should expect retaliation.
calibraxis 12y ago
That's the thing. Adria Richards inhabits a world where many women — Kathy Sierra, etc etc — get death and rape threats DAILY. To their families too. SWAT teams ordered to their house. As far as I'm concerned, Adria Richards did pretty much zero wrong. Such a backwards world with its daily bullshit will get on your nerves and make you snap one day. No way in hell would I ever comment on whether Adria Richards was ever a less-than-pleasant snowflake, because that'd make me part of the problem.
- littletimmy 12y ago
  > As far as I'm concerned, Adria Richards did pretty much zero wrong. Such a backwards world with its daily bullshit will get on your nerves and make you snap. You can make that argument about literally anyone who is oppressed. A black man in a ghetto might get tired of being in a shitty situation all his life and "snap" to shoot up a police station. That does not mean he "did pretty much zero wrong". In general, your trials and tribulations should not become somebody else's trials and tribulations. Adria Richards did a lot of wrong when she tried to ruin someone else's life because she didn't find a joke funny. And no, saying that does not make me "part of the problem".
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  - calibraxis 12y ago
    Usually uninteresting to respond to racist comments about black people shooting up police stations (clearly unconcerned that people are strangled in broad daylight by the state, and 14 year olds get their heads rammed through windows [1]), but so people aren't misled by this poster's uncited "[S]he tried to ruin someone else's life..." - Richards "stated that she had no intention or wish that he lose his job." [2] - She stated surprise at the powder keg: "I don’t think anyone who was part of what happened at PyCon that day could possibly have imagined how this issue would have exploded into the public consciousness the way it has. I certainly did not, and now that the severest of consequences have manifested, all I wish to do is find the good in what has been one of the most challenging weeks of my life." [3] She didn't shoot up a police station. (Just because she's an African-American, doesn't mean she did. If she resorted to killing, that... would indeed be a questionable decision.) It was a tweet with a pic. This poster is an excellent illustration that many of us dudebros are far more concerned that we'll be caught on Twitter over dick jokes at a "professional" conference, than death/rape threats to women. It's like Game of Thrones. I personally have worked with such bozo programmers who literally said "Penis? Penis." or "Is that homo?" all fucking day. Such manchild individuals, coddled in the software industry, are the problem. Make them angry, the manchild mob will threaten your life. [1] http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/05/no-charges-for-cop-stops-and-frisks-14-year-old-boy/ http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/05/no-charges-for-cop-sto... [2] http://venturebeat.com/2013/03/27/adria-richards-speaks-on-women-men-and-tech-but-not-a-certain-fired-developer/ http://venturebeat.com/2013/03/27/adria-richards-speaks-on-w... [3] http://allthingsd.com/20130327/fired-sendgrid-developer-evangelist-adria-richards-speaks-out/ http://allthingsd.com/20130327/fired-sendgrid-developer-evan...