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.. if someone wants to be gay. They have the right to choose that lifestyle .. This really irks me. People do not wake up one day and go "oh gee, let's see, i'

.. if someone wants to be gay. They have the right to choose that lifestyle .. This really irks me. People do not wake up one day and go "oh gee, let's see, i'll be attracted to a different gender from now on!" It's this attitude that, unchecked, does things like killing Turing. [abortion] steals away the agency of another This is retarded too, i'm very sorry, but somebody has to say it. So this clump of cells that was created entirely by the actions of the parents suddenly has rights, but the host, whose body it is (and nobody else's, mind!), doesn't get to choose? Why this sudden flip? On day 1 this person (non-pregnant woman) has full agency according to you, then on day 2 once pregnant, she has magical incubator-only-no-agency restrictions? I'm sorry, this has nothing to do with you being religious or not (as you rightly point out), but your views don't correspond with a place i would like to live in.

mdpopescu 11y ago
I agree. I mean, on day one, I am free to do as I wish in my home; but on day two, just because I invited this guy into MY house (and nobody else's, mind!), I can't kill him if I want? Why this sudden flip? /sarc
- toothbrush 11y ago
  Because supposedly embryo in my example != adult with agency in your example. Also, homes aren't bodies. I'm not even sure if you're disagreeing, sarc-tag or not :)
innocentoldguy 11y ago
Of course people choose to be gay. Having sex is an action, not a state of being. My nature is to want to have sex with every woman on the face of the planet. If I opt to do so, I become an adulterer, philanderer, womanizer, etc. Or, if I choose not to have sex with every woman I meet, I am not an adulterer, even though my nature is to be one.
innocentoldguy 11y ago
Oh, I forgot to comment on your second point regarding abortion. I'm not sure why the concept of losing rights based on personal choices is so foreign to you when similar occurrences happen throughout our country on a daily basis.

mdpopescu 11y ago

I agree. I mean, on day one, I am free to do as I wish in my home; but on day two, just because I invited this guy into MY house (and nobody else's, mind!), I can't kill him if I want? Why this sudden flip? /sarc

toothbrush 11y ago
Because supposedly embryo in my example != adult with agency in your example. Also, homes aren't bodies. I'm not even sure if you're disagreeing, sarc-tag or not :)

innocentoldguy 11y ago

Of course people choose to be gay. Having sex is an action, not a state of being. My nature is to want to have sex with every woman on the face of the planet. If I opt to do so, I become an adulterer, philanderer, womanizer, etc. Or, if I choose not to have sex with every woman I meet, I am not an adulterer, even though my nature is to be one.

innocentoldguy 11y ago

Oh, I forgot to comment on your second point regarding abortion. I'm not sure why the concept of losing rights based on personal choices is so foreign to you when similar occurrences happen throughout our country on a daily basis.