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Look at some of the stories from the media. Some airlines will not allow males sit next to unaccompanied children. A theme park bans single males from bird watc

by vijayr 11y ago

Look at some of the stories from the media. Some airlines will not allow males sit next to unaccompanied children. A theme park bans single males from bird watching, "in case they are predators". Female sexual assaults are disgusting while male sexual assaults are funny, to most people. If a little girl has a problem, it is immediately attended to, whereas if a little boy has a problem, he is told to "be a man and suck it up". Feminism is cool whereas MRA is not. Oh, we also have some "interesting" people like this - http://www.vice.com/read/is-reducing-the-male-population-by-90-percent-the-solution-to-all-our-problems http://www.vice.com/read/is-reducing-the-male-population-by-... And so on. I wish we look at problems without the gender/race/nationality etc lens and only purely based on their merit. This is 2015 and we still have gender stereotypes, whole lot of double standards (for both genders), laws favoring one gender or the other etc. All this noise is just tiring.

pikachu_is_cool 11y ago
Going off of that Vice article, sometimes I think that a 40/60 ratio of men to women would be favorable... it'd probably reflect the proportions of our hunter gatherer ancestry, and a lot of psychological benefits would come with that I'd imagine. But everything else she said was extremely misandrist and sexist.
- jaggederest 11y ago
  You can actually see the difference in gender relations in places with different gender ratios, and by age, as well. "Single men become a rare commodity later in life due to our unfortunate propensity for dying. If you can get to 50 the world seems to be nothing but women." http://jonathansoma.com/singles/ http://jonathansoma.com/singles/
- roel_v 11y ago
  "sometimes I think that a 40/60 ratio of men to women would be favorable..." Without wanting to turn this into a race thing, there are sociological circumstances which sort of give us a glimpse (in subsets of the population) of what that could look like - and it's not pretty... See e.g. http://www.economist.com/node/21532296 http://www.economist.com/node/21532296, which is one of the lesser emotionally charged discussions of it, but I'm sure you can find the right Google terms to find dozens of other articles about it yourself.
  - _pmf_ 11y ago
    China's and India's fad of aborting female offspring is not really very helpful. They're setting themselves up for some really, really nasty future.
    - vijayr 11y ago
      Not sure about India, but China is already in trouble http://www.forbes.com/sites/china/2011/05/13/chinas-growing-problem-of-too-many-single-men/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/china/2011/05/13/chinas-growing-...
  - draugadrotten 11y ago
    Sweden have imported so many males from middle east that it's now more men than women in Sweden for the first time in 300 years. "More boys are born in Sweden, the average life expectancy of males has gone up and it's mostly men who move here from other countries." http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=6127590 http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&art...
  - pikachu_is_cool 11y ago
    Thank you for that link, that really changed my perspective.
- smorrow 11y ago
  It would be good for people's mental health. No one woman can provide the amount of sex a man physically needs for his mental health. And women are secretly happy to see that their man still has what it takes to attract other women, isn't lying to himself about his nature, etc.
  - Nursie 11y ago
    Oh dear god you talk a lot of bullshit - "No one woman can provide the amount of sex a man physically needs for his mental health." Grow up.
    - smorrow 11y ago
      heh. Is there any part of that that's concretely not true? Humans all over the world have come up with it independently -- I dunno, unless Muslims and Mormons shared notes. I could even go further and claim it to be an almost pan-mammalian truth. Men and women are different. Especially when it comes to sex.
      - Nursie 11y ago
        No, they're not that different, no you don't need more sex than one woman can give you to remain mentally healthy, as evidenced by all the not-crazy monogamists. You're an idiot. If you want more than one partner, go for it, become a polyamorist. Lots of men and women do. But your generalisations and your attitude towards women are childish, you need to grow up.
        smorrow 11y ago
        I may have been exaggerating when I said mental health+, but it's still a fact that men still aren't getting laid as much as they would ideally like to=. I mean, how would you even know? Because they aren't begging for it constantly? Really, I can tell you that that's more due to being polite and knowing in advance that the answer will be no. + I term I use in a much broader sense internally, since I don't know any better for word it. So I might let it out without checking if other people will understand what I'm saying. = Not that they're entitled to it or anything, but then that never was my point.
tdkl 11y ago
> Female sexual assaults are disgusting while male sexual assaults are funny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muuFygvXPAM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muuFygvXPAM Imagine this "witty banter" about female mutilation.
mpweiher 11y ago
The Femitheist article was actually satire. Yeah, I also didn't quite get it either, though I was thinking that it must be satire, it was so over the top. Poe's law in action, I guess, and well-executed! "I now no longer present my satirical works without making it clear that they are not serious, as many people have been unable to recognize that fact on their own, despite the over-the-top and theatrical style of said presentations." http://www.femitheist.net/p/cp-faq.html http://www.femitheist.net/p/cp-faq.html
Nursie 11y ago
>> Feminism is cool whereas MRA is not The extreme voices of feminism are pretty awful, but AFAICT the entire MRA movement is made up of arseholes. It doesn't have to be, and there are issues to be addressed. It's just a shame it seems to be addressed by misogynist dickholes.
- toyg 11y ago
  But part of the problem is that nobody would address radical feminists as "misandrist cuntholes", right? Doing so would automatically disqualify your credibility. But for men, it's fine, they are really dickholes, right? That's cultural hegemony at work, folks.
  - Nursie 11y ago
    >> nobody would address radical feminists as "misandrist cuntholes" People frequently do! The difference is that they don't make up the whole of that movement.
    - toyg 11y ago
      >People frequently do! Do they? HackerNews search results: * "Misandry": 2 * "Misandrist": 0 * "Misogyny": 59 * "Misogynist": 23 Most people will have to look up "the opposite of misogyny" to find "misandry", and that's telling in itself. I do understand why this happens (misogyny has always been a culturally-recognized problem with real repercussions, the opposite not so much), but it still happens and it does unbalance the cultural perception of things.
      - Nursie 11y ago
        I'm not sure those figures are in any way relevant to anything, and when I said "People often do!" I wasn't referring to HN in a vacuum.
        toyg 11y ago
        Of course, I was just taking HN as a random sample, to show that even in our highly-educated, male-dominated geek community, people are quite familiar with one term but not the other. This is significant and relevant to the argument, imho.
untog 11y ago
Feminism is cool whereas MRA is not. Because MRA has an absolutely horrific public image. If they concentrated on topics like visitation rights in divorce they'd be well appreciated - Fathers 4 Justice[1] is/was an organsiation that does exactly that and received positive coverage back in the mid-2000s (sadly, according to Wikipedia they've since gotten worse) By contrast, almost every MRA conversation I've ever seen has been talking about how awful Feminists are. Using "Social justice warrior" to cover anyone who is passionate about helping women do anything (and why is it a negative label anyway?). About fake rape accusations as if they cast doubt over every legitimate accusation ever made. About how scantily clad women are 'asking for it'. Is it really any wonder MRA isn't "cool"? (and let's be honest - Feminism isn't exactly universally cool anyway) [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fathers_4_Justice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fathers_4_Justice
- mkr-hn 11y ago
  Didn't feminism have similar beginnings? It was a lot more angry, and it was justified. That anger often tipped over into unwarranted hatred and generalization, but that doesn't mean the anger was unjustified.
kaitai 11y ago
Most American women won't call themselves feminists because it has a bad image. Where do you get your idea of "cool"? I am curious!

by vijayr 11y ago

pikachu_is_cool 11y ago

Going off of that Vice article, sometimes I think that a 40/60 ratio of men to women would be favorable... it'd probably reflect the proportions of our hunter gatherer ancestry, and a lot of psychological benefits would come with that I'd imagine. But everything else she said was extremely misandrist and sexist.

jaggederest 11y ago
You can actually see the difference in gender relations in places with different gender ratios, and by age, as well. "Single men become a rare commodity later in life due to our unfortunate propensity for dying. If you can get to 50 the world seems to be nothing but women." http://jonathansoma.com/singles/ http://jonathansoma.com/singles/
roel_v 11y ago
"sometimes I think that a 40/60 ratio of men to women would be favorable..." Without wanting to turn this into a race thing, there are sociological circumstances which sort of give us a glimpse (in subsets of the population) of what that could look like - and it's not pretty... See e.g. http://www.economist.com/node/21532296 http://www.economist.com/node/21532296, which is one of the lesser emotionally charged discussions of it, but I'm sure you can find the right Google terms to find dozens of other articles about it yourself.
- _pmf_ 11y ago
  China's and India's fad of aborting female offspring is not really very helpful. They're setting themselves up for some really, really nasty future.
  - vijayr 11y ago
    Not sure about India, but China is already in trouble http://www.forbes.com/sites/china/2011/05/13/chinas-growing-problem-of-too-many-single-men/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/china/2011/05/13/chinas-growing-...
- draugadrotten 11y ago
  Sweden have imported so many males from middle east that it's now more men than women in Sweden for the first time in 300 years. "More boys are born in Sweden, the average life expectancy of males has gone up and it's mostly men who move here from other countries." http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=6127590 http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&art...
- pikachu_is_cool 11y ago
  Thank you for that link, that really changed my perspective.
smorrow 11y ago
It would be good for people's mental health. No one woman can provide the amount of sex a man physically needs for his mental health. And women are secretly happy to see that their man still has what it takes to attract other women, isn't lying to himself about his nature, etc.
- Nursie 11y ago
  Oh dear god you talk a lot of bullshit - "No one woman can provide the amount of sex a man physically needs for his mental health." Grow up.
  - smorrow 11y ago
    heh. Is there any part of that that's concretely not true? Humans all over the world have come up with it independently -- I dunno, unless Muslims and Mormons shared notes. I could even go further and claim it to be an almost pan-mammalian truth. Men and women are different. Especially when it comes to sex.
    - Nursie 11y ago
      No, they're not that different, no you don't need more sex than one woman can give you to remain mentally healthy, as evidenced by all the not-crazy monogamists. You're an idiot. If you want more than one partner, go for it, become a polyamorist. Lots of men and women do. But your generalisations and your attitude towards women are childish, you need to grow up.
      - smorrow 11y ago
        I may have been exaggerating when I said mental health+, but it's still a fact that men still aren't getting laid as much as they would ideally like to=. I mean, how would you even know? Because they aren't begging for it constantly? Really, I can tell you that that's more due to being polite and knowing in advance that the answer will be no. + I term I use in a much broader sense internally, since I don't know any better for word it. So I might let it out without checking if other people will understand what I'm saying. = Not that they're entitled to it or anything, but then that never was my point.

tdkl 11y ago

> Female sexual assaults are disgusting while male sexual assaults are funny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muuFygvXPAM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muuFygvXPAM Imagine this "witty banter" about female mutilation.

mpweiher 11y ago

The Femitheist article was actually satire. Yeah, I also didn't quite get it either, though I was thinking that it must be satire, it was so over the top. Poe's law in action, I guess, and well-executed! "I now no longer present my satirical works without making it clear that they are not serious, as many people have been unable to recognize that fact on their own, despite the over-the-top and theatrical style of said presentations." http://www.femitheist.net/p/cp-faq.html http://www.femitheist.net/p/cp-faq.html

Nursie 11y ago

>> Feminism is cool whereas MRA is not The extreme voices of feminism are pretty awful, but AFAICT the entire MRA movement is made up of arseholes. It doesn't have to be, and there are issues to be addressed. It's just a shame it seems to be addressed by misogynist dickholes.

toyg 11y ago
But part of the problem is that nobody would address radical feminists as "misandrist cuntholes", right? Doing so would automatically disqualify your credibility. But for men, it's fine, they are really dickholes, right? That's cultural hegemony at work, folks.
- Nursie 11y ago
  >> nobody would address radical feminists as "misandrist cuntholes" People frequently do! The difference is that they don't make up the whole of that movement.
  - toyg 11y ago
    >People frequently do! Do they? HackerNews search results: * "Misandry": 2 * "Misandrist": 0 * "Misogyny": 59 * "Misogynist": 23 Most people will have to look up "the opposite of misogyny" to find "misandry", and that's telling in itself. I do understand why this happens (misogyny has always been a culturally-recognized problem with real repercussions, the opposite not so much), but it still happens and it does unbalance the cultural perception of things.
    - Nursie 11y ago
      I'm not sure those figures are in any way relevant to anything, and when I said "People often do!" I wasn't referring to HN in a vacuum.
      - toyg 11y ago
        Of course, I was just taking HN as a random sample, to show that even in our highly-educated, male-dominated geek community, people are quite familiar with one term but not the other. This is significant and relevant to the argument, imho.

untog 11y ago

Feminism is cool whereas MRA is not. Because MRA has an absolutely horrific public image. If they concentrated on topics like visitation rights in divorce they'd be well appreciated - Fathers 4 Justice[1] is/was an organsiation that does exactly that and received positive coverage back in the mid-2000s (sadly, according to Wikipedia they've since gotten worse) By contrast, almost every MRA conversation I've ever seen has been talking about how awful Feminists are. Using "Social justice warrior" to cover anyone who is passionate about helping women do anything (and why is it a negative label anyway?). About fake rape accusations as if they cast doubt over every legitimate accusation ever made. About how scantily clad women are 'asking for it'. Is it really any wonder MRA isn't "cool"? (and let's be honest - Feminism isn't exactly universally cool anyway) [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fathers_4_Justice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fathers_4_Justice

mkr-hn 11y ago
Didn't feminism have similar beginnings? It was a lot more angry, and it was justified. That anger often tipped over into unwarranted hatred and generalization, but that doesn't mean the anger was unjustified.

kaitai 11y ago

Most American women won't call themselves feminists because it has a bad image. Where do you get your idea of "cool"? I am curious!