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Sorry, but you're just saying the same thing: that the basic economic principle of price being determined by what the market will bear doesn't apply to housing

by Frondo 12y ago

Sorry, but you're just saying the same thing: that the basic economic principle of price being determined by what the market will bear doesn't apply to housing. Either people will pay more, in which case landlords will raise their rents until people stop being willing to pay more, or people won't pay more, no matter what the cost to the landlord. Nowhere in this does the landlord show up with a tax document and say "see folks, now you gotta pay MOAR TAX".

sokoloff 12y ago
There are many leases with tax escalation clauses included. My last two apartment leases (2000-2002 and 2002-2007) in MA included those (3-part) clauses. http://www.masslegalhelp.org/housing/private-housing/ch5/tax-escalator-clause http://www.masslegalhelp.org/housing/private-housing/ch5/tax... The reasoning is multi-part: 1. It aligns tenant and landords by encouraging renters to vote against property tax increases. Renters can now think whether the services increase is worth the tax increase instead of only worrying about the benefit side as the cost side is 100% someone else problem absent an escalator. 2. It allows landlords to offer their property for rent without including a "holdback" for their guess as to their property tax increase.
zaroth 11y ago
I'm saying that increased taxes cause landlords to try to increase rent or exit the rental market due to the increased expense, leading to decreased rental supply at a higher average cost. In a competitive rental market, you are renting the property for pretty much exactly what it costs you to rent it. If free money rained from the sky by pushing the "rent" button, more people would do it, increasing supply, and decreasing cost. Similarly, lowering the tax rate would provide greater profit to landlords, which would cause new entrants to the rental market, leading to greater supply and a lower average cost. That's just the basic theory of competitive markets, at least as I remember it. It starts with the 'X' shaped chart of supply vs demand which you draw over and over in Microeconomics 101. Macro takes the concepts from Micro and connects the dots to get from increasing taxes -> higher rental prices.

by Frondo 12y ago

sokoloff 12y ago

There are many leases with tax escalation clauses included. My last two apartment leases (2000-2002 and 2002-2007) in MA included those (3-part) clauses. http://www.masslegalhelp.org/housing/private-housing/ch5/tax-escalator-clause http://www.masslegalhelp.org/housing/private-housing/ch5/tax... The reasoning is multi-part: 1. It aligns tenant and landords by encouraging renters to vote against property tax increases. Renters can now think whether the services increase is worth the tax increase instead of only worrying about the benefit side as the cost side is 100% someone else problem absent an escalator. 2. It allows landlords to offer their property for rent without including a "holdback" for their guess as to their property tax increase.

zaroth 11y ago

I'm saying that increased taxes cause landlords to try to increase rent or exit the rental market due to the increased expense, leading to decreased rental supply at a higher average cost. In a competitive rental market, you are renting the property for pretty much exactly what it costs you to rent it. If free money rained from the sky by pushing the "rent" button, more people would do it, increasing supply, and decreasing cost. Similarly, lowering the tax rate would provide greater profit to landlords, which would cause new entrants to the rental market, leading to greater supply and a lower average cost. That's just the basic theory of competitive markets, at least as I remember it. It starts with the 'X' shaped chart of supply vs demand which you draw over and over in Microeconomics 101. Macro takes the concepts from Micro and connects the dots to get from increasing taxes -> higher rental prices.