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> nobody can silo their beliefs So we need to stop discrimination before it happens? How do you feel about implementing some pre-crime measures nation-wide? As

by shpx 11y ago

> nobody can silo their beliefs So we need to stop discrimination before it happens? How do you feel about implementing some pre-crime measures nation-wide? As soon as he started advocating some anti-gay hiring policies, or rejecting pull requests from transvestites, then the consequences would've made sense to me. Though that's an idealist view, in reality letting him stay would've been interpreted as an endorsment by all the people making a huge fuss about it, in my ideal world no one would've cared to begin with. Instead of adding to their CPG you should've actually read the parts that don't agree with your view > Some Mozillians may identify with activities or organizations that do not support the same inclusion and diversity standards as Mozilla Diversity and inclusion should mean including people who don't agree with diversity and inclusion.

Karunamon 11y ago
I'm having a really hard time writing this without snark, so forgive me if any of it comes through: In reality letting him stay would've been interpreted as an endorsement by all the people making a huge fuss about it Those people "making a huge fuss about it" were denied equal rights for an additional six years thanks, in part, to Eich. Are you suggesting they should have just shut up? Where do you draw the line? Diversity and inclusion should mean including people who don't agree with diversity and inclusion. We're going to have to disagree on that. Rights are rights - I don't see how tolerating someone who thinks gays are inferior is one whit different than tolerating someone who thinks blacks or women are inferior.
- shpx 11y ago
  > Those people "making a huge fuss about it" were denied equal rights > Where do you draw the line? At "anger doesn't justify actions that hurt others". I'm not sure what your point is, getting him fired didn't help... A guy was denied the first amendment and mozilla lost a talented engineer, a net loss. > Rights are rights - I don't see how tolerating someone who thinks gays are inferior is one whit different than tolerating someone who thinks blacks or women are inferior. Provided they do not act on those beliefs, I agree, people should not be persecuted based on some beliefs ingrained in them from childhood. Looks like I'm more tolerant than you are.
  - Karunamon 11y ago
    For what seems like the third time this thread, Eich stepped down. He was not fired, he was not asked to leave by the board. He quit. This is not a trivial distinction and it smacks of dishonesty that you continue to repeat it. Provided they do not act on those beliefs, But he did act on them. Eich didn't get people mad at him because he thought gay people were icky, he got people mad at him because he took action to strip away their rights. And kindly can the personal attacks.
- serge2k 11y ago
  Eich and most of the voters in California. Can you please point out where he said gays are inferior?
themoonbus 11y ago
> Diversity and inclusion should mean including people who don't agree with diversity and inclusion. This is basically a variant of the argument that is used by religious business owners who don't want to serve gay people... "you are infringing on our right to practice our religion!" they say. The point being, you have rights, but you don't have the right to infringe on other people's rights.

by shpx 11y ago

Karunamon 11y ago

I'm having a really hard time writing this without snark, so forgive me if any of it comes through: In reality letting him stay would've been interpreted as an endorsement by all the people making a huge fuss about it Those people "making a huge fuss about it" were denied equal rights for an additional six years thanks, in part, to Eich. Are you suggesting they should have just shut up? Where do you draw the line? Diversity and inclusion should mean including people who don't agree with diversity and inclusion. We're going to have to disagree on that. Rights are rights - I don't see how tolerating someone who thinks gays are inferior is one whit different than tolerating someone who thinks blacks or women are inferior.

shpx 11y ago
> Those people "making a huge fuss about it" were denied equal rights > Where do you draw the line? At "anger doesn't justify actions that hurt others". I'm not sure what your point is, getting him fired didn't help... A guy was denied the first amendment and mozilla lost a talented engineer, a net loss. > Rights are rights - I don't see how tolerating someone who thinks gays are inferior is one whit different than tolerating someone who thinks blacks or women are inferior. Provided they do not act on those beliefs, I agree, people should not be persecuted based on some beliefs ingrained in them from childhood. Looks like I'm more tolerant than you are.
- Karunamon 11y ago
  For what seems like the third time this thread, Eich stepped down. He was not fired, he was not asked to leave by the board. He quit. This is not a trivial distinction and it smacks of dishonesty that you continue to repeat it. Provided they do not act on those beliefs, But he did act on them. Eich didn't get people mad at him because he thought gay people were icky, he got people mad at him because he took action to strip away their rights. And kindly can the personal attacks.
serge2k 11y ago
Eich and most of the voters in California. Can you please point out where he said gays are inferior?

themoonbus 11y ago

> Diversity and inclusion should mean including people who don't agree with diversity and inclusion. This is basically a variant of the argument that is used by religious business owners who don't want to serve gay people... "you are infringing on our right to practice our religion!" they say. The point being, you have rights, but you don't have the right to infringe on other people's rights.