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I put torture and the murder of innocents beyond merely morally dubious, but perhaps you have a more liberal view. Look beyond your self serving and hypocritic

I put torture and the murder of innocents beyond merely morally dubious, but perhaps you have a more liberal view. Look beyond your self serving and hypocritical narrative, would you equally defend the bureaucratics under Stalin, what of an IT worker for ISIS? I'm all for improving a system and government which has faults. However it is maddening to watch people continue to lend legitimacy to a government that tortures and murders innocent people -- what is your red line, genocide? The US is quickly approaching in the 21st century that marker as well when applied to Muslims. I recommend you reflect on your moral views since they currently support the aiding of torturers and murders.

xnull2guest 11y ago
The thing is we aren't talking about morals and ethics. We haven't been. We are doing a deductive (and therefore flawed) analysis of benefits and costs. Case in point: societies also (feel they) benefit from genocide. This doesn't make it right. But we're not talking about right. We're talking about gain and advantage. We could have a really interesting conversation about right and wrong. But that's not what we're talking about in this tree of the conversation. So nothing you are saying, as interesting as it is, addresses the conversation points.