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I wrote what I wrote not because I thought you'd disagree with it, but to make understandable why he is so energetic. He speaks about dangers a lot of people i

by madez 11y ago

I wrote what I wrote not because I thought you'd disagree with it, but to make understandable why he is so energetic. He speaks about dangers a lot of people ignore unwillingly and some willingly because they get rich by doing so. [1] If you see a fundamental threat in doing a thing and everybody is ignoring your warnings, then it's natural to start to speak more drastic and alarming. Having this in mind, I think he is a terrific speaker. He speaks fluently and easily understandable. The presentation was creative and informative. He seemed to speak what he thinks, honestly and openly. I didn't agree with all of what he said. For example, the connotation of the word "start-up" he suggested is non-existent to me. His talk was still one of the most interesting I listened to in a long while. And, I don't see why it was elitist or disparaging. He complained about dangerous power imbalances in the world. About the fact that mostly white people try to bring their vision of a modern society into other cultures. Can you quote problematic parts? [1] This needs to called out, and he did. People are ridiculously blind to injustice and dangers when they profit by it.

dragontamer 11y ago
https://youtu.be/jh8supIUj6c?t=1m29s https://youtu.be/jh8supIUj6c?t=1m29s > A lot of us already subscribe to the mass psychosis of a all seeing White Man in the cloud watching over us. Erm... really? He wants to bring Religion into this? This isn't the only time he references Religion either, but its the most noticeable. https://youtu.be/jh8supIUj6c?t=13m59s https://youtu.be/jh8supIUj6c?t=13m59s > Like these _beautiful_ Nexus phones Rather disparaging to owners of Nexus phones. He's pretty much calling you a dumb-fuck at this point for buying into Android. On the contrary, if you wish to "Red Pill" a Nexus user, you don't start off the argument by calling them a dumb fuck. In fact, you need to be sure to NEVER call them a dumb fuck throughout the entire presentation. And yes, he is calling members of the audience who disagrees with him, dumb fucks. https://youtu.be/jh8supIUj6c?t=6m46s https://youtu.be/jh8supIUj6c?t=6m46s > Dumb Fucks. And maybe we deserve it. Lets be frank here, his point is "If you disagree with me, you're a Dumb Fuck". That is about as disparaging as you can get. Imagine if you will, you were a normal person who didn't care about this privacy stuff. None of the above techniques would win you over. In fact, I'm probably going to have to apologize on behalf of privacy advocates for this guy's disparaging remarks. Again, I fully agree with what he's _trying_ to do. But he's so disparaging and elitist it is very hard to actually recommend this video to anyone I know. Tell me, would you really have your Grandmother watch this guy, to try and win her vote over to the privacy conscious? These disparaging remarks are fine for rallying up a crowd or preaching to the choir, but as soon as you start splitting the crowd up on Religious or "WHITE POWER!!!?!?!?" grounds, it becomes harder and harder to find the subset of people who actually agree with him throughout the whole video. > I wrote what I wrote not because I thought you'd disagree with it, but to make understandable why he is so energetic. <start persona> He's not "energetic". He is a disparaging douchebag on stage who is getting high off of insulting the audience who is dumb enough to listen to him all the way through. If you're the "dumb fuck" who can't see the insults he's constantly slinging towards you, I guess you deserve such a crappy speaker. </end persona> Get the point? If I start disparaging YOU for disagreeing with me, does that make me a better debater? Or does that just piss you off and shut off your mind? Do you really want to argue against the above persona? > He complained about dangerous power imbalances in the world. About the fact that mostly white people try to bring their vision of a modern society into other cultures. Yes, this is a common criticism of 1800s colonialism. As I stated elsewhere in this thread... when Google starts to literally suck the blood out of Coolies and spreads the Opium over other countries to establish economic dominance over the drug-filled populace, we can start comparing Google to the East India Company. Until then, he's hyperbolic and his points make a mockery of history. 1800s Imperialism was horrible. I don't exactly see the equivalency between 1800s Colonialism / Slave Trade / Zulu Genocide and Google Internet Balloon projects however.
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- madez 11y ago
  Thanks for taking your time to look up these points. > A lot of us already subscribe to the mass psychosis of a all seeing White Man in the cloud watching over us. Erm... really? He wants to bring Religion into this? This isn't the only time he references Religion either, but its the most noticeable. I think this specific connection to religion is spot-on and therefore appropriate. He indirectly highlights the strong connection between humans feeling being watched and their behaviour, and thus why privacy is important. > Like these _beautiful_ Nexus phones Rather disparaging to owners of Nexus phones. He's pretty much calling you a dumb-fuck at this point for buying into Android. He says these phones are beautiful, and he means it. They are. But the way he says it is to warn us that their beauty is deceiving us. Basically, he says: "Ignore for a moment how beautiful they are and think about the problem I'm describing." This seems to be standard rhetoric to me. I'm an owner of a Nexus phone and I don't feel disparaged. At least not by him. On the contrary, if you wish to "Red Pill" a Nexus user, you don't start off the argument by calling them a dumb fuck. In fact, you need to be sure to NEVER call them a dumb fuck throughout the entire presentation. And yes, he is calling members of the audience who disagrees with him, dumb fucks. > Dumb Fucks. And maybe we deserve it. Lets be frank here, his point is "If you disagree with me, you're a Dumb Fuck". These disgusting words are not Aral Balkan's, but Mark Zuckerberg's. He cynically repeats them to make it as clear as possible how the people in power at these companies think about you. They see you as dumb fucks if you entrust them with your data. This is extremely noteworthy. I think you misunderstand him in that he is calling you a dumb fuck, but in fact the tells you what they are thinking about you. But he's so disparaging and elitist it is very hard to actually recommend this video to anyone I know. So, I seriously do not see why he would be disparaging or elitist. as soon as you start splitting the crowd up on Religious or "WHITE POWER!!!?!?!?" grounds He was criticizing the huge amount of power a small group of mostly white people have. This is criticism of the current society and neither disparaging nor elitist, quite the opposite. I think you misunderstand him.
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by madez 11y ago

dragontamer 11y ago

https://youtu.be/jh8supIUj6c?t=1m29s https://youtu.be/jh8supIUj6c?t=1m29s > A lot of us already subscribe to the mass psychosis of a all seeing White Man in the cloud watching over us. Erm... really? He wants to bring Religion into this? This isn't the only time he references Religion either, but its the most noticeable. https://youtu.be/jh8supIUj6c?t=13m59s https://youtu.be/jh8supIUj6c?t=13m59s > Like these _beautiful_ Nexus phones Rather disparaging to owners of Nexus phones. He's pretty much calling you a dumb-fuck at this point for buying into Android. On the contrary, if you wish to "Red Pill" a Nexus user, you don't start off the argument by calling them a dumb fuck. In fact, you need to be sure to NEVER call them a dumb fuck throughout the entire presentation. And yes, he is calling members of the audience who disagrees with him, dumb fucks. https://youtu.be/jh8supIUj6c?t=6m46s https://youtu.be/jh8supIUj6c?t=6m46s > Dumb Fucks. And maybe we deserve it. Lets be frank here, his point is "If you disagree with me, you're a Dumb Fuck". That is about as disparaging as you can get. Imagine if you will, you were a normal person who didn't care about this privacy stuff. None of the above techniques would win you over. In fact, I'm probably going to have to apologize on behalf of privacy advocates for this guy's disparaging remarks. Again, I fully agree with what he's _trying_ to do. But he's so disparaging and elitist it is very hard to actually recommend this video to anyone I know. Tell me, would you really have your Grandmother watch this guy, to try and win her vote over to the privacy conscious? These disparaging remarks are fine for rallying up a crowd or preaching to the choir, but as soon as you start splitting the crowd up on Religious or "WHITE POWER!!!?!?!?" grounds, it becomes harder and harder to find the subset of people who actually agree with him throughout the whole video. > I wrote what I wrote not because I thought you'd disagree with it, but to make understandable why he is so energetic. <start persona> He's not "energetic". He is a disparaging douchebag on stage who is getting high off of insulting the audience who is dumb enough to listen to him all the way through. If you're the "dumb fuck" who can't see the insults he's constantly slinging towards you, I guess you deserve such a crappy speaker. </end persona> Get the point? If I start disparaging YOU for disagreeing with me, does that make me a better debater? Or does that just piss you off and shut off your mind? Do you really want to argue against the above persona? > He complained about dangerous power imbalances in the world. About the fact that mostly white people try to bring their vision of a modern society into other cultures. Yes, this is a common criticism of 1800s colonialism. As I stated elsewhere in this thread... when Google starts to literally suck the blood out of Coolies and spreads the Opium over other countries to establish economic dominance over the drug-filled populace, we can start comparing Google to the East India Company. Until then, he's hyperbolic and his points make a mockery of history. 1800s Imperialism was horrible. I don't exactly see the equivalency between 1800s Colonialism / Slave Trade / Zulu Genocide and Google Internet Balloon projects however.

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madez 11y ago
Thanks for taking your time to look up these points. > A lot of us already subscribe to the mass psychosis of a all seeing White Man in the cloud watching over us. Erm... really? He wants to bring Religion into this? This isn't the only time he references Religion either, but its the most noticeable. I think this specific connection to religion is spot-on and therefore appropriate. He indirectly highlights the strong connection between humans feeling being watched and their behaviour, and thus why privacy is important. > Like these _beautiful_ Nexus phones Rather disparaging to owners of Nexus phones. He's pretty much calling you a dumb-fuck at this point for buying into Android. He says these phones are beautiful, and he means it. They are. But the way he says it is to warn us that their beauty is deceiving us. Basically, he says: "Ignore for a moment how beautiful they are and think about the problem I'm describing." This seems to be standard rhetoric to me. I'm an owner of a Nexus phone and I don't feel disparaged. At least not by him. On the contrary, if you wish to "Red Pill" a Nexus user, you don't start off the argument by calling them a dumb fuck. In fact, you need to be sure to NEVER call them a dumb fuck throughout the entire presentation. And yes, he is calling members of the audience who disagrees with him, dumb fucks. > Dumb Fucks. And maybe we deserve it. Lets be frank here, his point is "If you disagree with me, you're a Dumb Fuck". These disgusting words are not Aral Balkan's, but Mark Zuckerberg's. He cynically repeats them to make it as clear as possible how the people in power at these companies think about you. They see you as dumb fucks if you entrust them with your data. This is extremely noteworthy. I think you misunderstand him in that he is calling you a dumb fuck, but in fact the tells you what they are thinking about you. But he's so disparaging and elitist it is very hard to actually recommend this video to anyone I know. So, I seriously do not see why he would be disparaging or elitist. as soon as you start splitting the crowd up on Religious or "WHITE POWER!!!?!?!?" grounds He was criticizing the huge amount of power a small group of mostly white people have. This is criticism of the current society and neither disparaging nor elitist, quite the opposite. I think you misunderstand him.
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