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This isn't a Lenovo issue, its a larger Windows OEM issue. HP, Dell, and the rest are guilty of the same sins. When is Microsoft finally going to reign these gu

This isn't a Lenovo issue, its a larger Windows OEM issue. HP, Dell, and the rest are guilty of the same sins. When is Microsoft finally going to reign these guys in? I'd love an Apple-like experience of just booting up into a standard OS and not worrying about various faddish and profit seeking applications pre-installed on my machine. If MS wants to make Win10 the next XP, they need to control these OEM's. Chinese acquisitions of US tech companies rarely works out. They just two very different business cultures. Sadly, Lenovo also bought Motorola's mobile division, so we can expect more of this treatment with the next batch of Motorola phones. The same way they ruined the thinkpad brand - they'll ruin the Moto brand.

wlesieutre 12y ago
You can get that with the "Signature Edition" computers available in Microsoft Stores. But the closest MS store is an hour away from me, and normal people don't even know that they should care, let alone care enough to spend two hours driving to pick up a laptop.
- Haul4ss 12y ago
  You can also get them at microsoftstore.com. Signature Edition PCs are a great idea. Microsoft should have been doing that all along.
allenbrunson 12y ago
"control these OEM's?" it was Microsoft who created this mess. they were executing everybody's favorite business maxim, "commoditize your complements." Microsoft is the only company providing the operating system, which runs on an army of undifferentiated PCs, where the manufacturers can only compete on price. of COURSE they're reduced to shady behavior like this. they have no other way to make money, because Microsoft thinks all the profit in the entire ecosystem should be theirs. if they try to "reign in the OEMs," then there will be no profit left at all for them. at that point, they might as well get into some other line of products altogether: netbooks, android phones, etc
- drzaiusapelord 12y ago
  >where the manufacturers can only compete on price. I find this hard to believe and seems to be an excuse for modifications like these (this excuse is quite common in Android). Quality of components, design, battery life/capacity, screen size/dpi, brand, reputation, support quality, etc mean a lot more to Jane Computerbuyer than a slew of Lenovo shit apps she has no idea how to use and probably never will. >it was Microsoft who created this mess. Actually it was the Department of Justice that created this mess.
  - allenbrunson 12y ago
    ... and yet, here we are! if there was this huge market that you are positing that exists, anxious to buy PCs and laptops based on battery life, screen quality, etc, then there would be companies building products to soak up their money. but there is not such a market, apart from a few people like you who hang out on technical message boards, not nearly numerous enough to support such a thing.
    - drzaiusapelord 12y ago
      Funny how the massive iOS device market and OSX market works just fine with a single OS experience that unmodified between models, doesnt have 3rd party crapware, etc. In fact, it works so well, its threatening the Windows monopoly. I don't know any young person without an OSX machine.
      - allenbrunson 12y ago
        that is because apple is the only company that makes iphones, ipads, and macs. apple sells hardware, not software, like microsoft does, so "commoditize your complements" means something entirely different to apple. (it means that they are trying to drive the price of software to zero, through their own gated app stores. but that's another topic entirely.)
    - pjc50 12y ago
      This is bizarre. PCs and laptops are very much differentiated on quality and specs - it's just that the margin is competed away. The only way to maintain margin is to de-commodify, either by market differentiation (brand building) or barriers to entry. Apple have done extremely well at both.

wlesieutre 12y ago

You can get that with the "Signature Edition" computers available in Microsoft Stores. But the closest MS store is an hour away from me, and normal people don't even know that they should care, let alone care enough to spend two hours driving to pick up a laptop.

Haul4ss 12y ago
You can also get them at microsoftstore.com. Signature Edition PCs are a great idea. Microsoft should have been doing that all along.

allenbrunson 12y ago

"control these OEM's?" it was Microsoft who created this mess. they were executing everybody's favorite business maxim, "commoditize your complements." Microsoft is the only company providing the operating system, which runs on an army of undifferentiated PCs, where the manufacturers can only compete on price. of COURSE they're reduced to shady behavior like this. they have no other way to make money, because Microsoft thinks all the profit in the entire ecosystem should be theirs. if they try to "reign in the OEMs," then there will be no profit left at all for them. at that point, they might as well get into some other line of products altogether: netbooks, android phones, etc

drzaiusapelord 12y ago
>where the manufacturers can only compete on price. I find this hard to believe and seems to be an excuse for modifications like these (this excuse is quite common in Android). Quality of components, design, battery life/capacity, screen size/dpi, brand, reputation, support quality, etc mean a lot more to Jane Computerbuyer than a slew of Lenovo shit apps she has no idea how to use and probably never will. >it was Microsoft who created this mess. Actually it was the Department of Justice that created this mess.
- allenbrunson 12y ago
  ... and yet, here we are! if there was this huge market that you are positing that exists, anxious to buy PCs and laptops based on battery life, screen quality, etc, then there would be companies building products to soak up their money. but there is not such a market, apart from a few people like you who hang out on technical message boards, not nearly numerous enough to support such a thing.
  - drzaiusapelord 12y ago
    Funny how the massive iOS device market and OSX market works just fine with a single OS experience that unmodified between models, doesnt have 3rd party crapware, etc. In fact, it works so well, its threatening the Windows monopoly. I don't know any young person without an OSX machine.
    - allenbrunson 12y ago
      that is because apple is the only company that makes iphones, ipads, and macs. apple sells hardware, not software, like microsoft does, so "commoditize your complements" means something entirely different to apple. (it means that they are trying to drive the price of software to zero, through their own gated app stores. but that's another topic entirely.)
  - pjc50 12y ago
    This is bizarre. PCs and laptops are very much differentiated on quality and specs - it's just that the margin is competed away. The only way to maintain margin is to de-commodify, either by market differentiation (brand building) or barriers to entry. Apple have done extremely well at both.