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Well, I'm American and it sure seems insane to me, so I choose not to participate, and that's that. It really is that simple. Don't believe it is the companie

by cubano 11y ago

Well, I'm American and it sure seems insane to me, so I choose not to participate, and that's that. It really is that simple. Don't believe it is the companies forcing workers to do it as it is my experience that most, but not all of course, American men would rather be "working" then dealing with child raising.

rokhayakebe 11y ago
I choose not to participate, and that's that. You know what, that's it. People complain all day long, but in the end it is just a choice. Nobody is being held at gun point and being asked to work long hours. Instead people make financial choices that they must now assume by working under terrible conditions, then they go home to complain about it.
- seanp2k2 11y ago
  While somewhat true, it's pretty bad that you basically have to just roll over and accept it if you want to own a house in an area not in economic crisis. You can live as frugally as you want, but a half-million-dollar mortgage sucks up a lot of income. I've been seriously considering getting a really really really nice few-year-old RV (one of the 50' bus ones with expanding sides) as my home in order to opt-out of the housing stupidity and apartment renting game. It'd be nice to be able to own my home after just a few years paying the equivalent of what I currently pay for Bay Area rent. I'd still have to pay e.g. National Parks for staying the night, but I'd much much rather have my money go to them vs the slim land owners and apartment places here.
  - rokhayakebe 11y ago
    Agreed. As for the second point, I would strongly recommend against an RV as your primary home. It is very likely to negatively affect your social life and could get into the way of a lasting romantic relationship. Perhaps (and this is just a guess) you would be better off employing your skills and time to make more instead of attempting to save more.
- s73v3r 11y ago
  Just because a literal gun isn't used doesn't mean there isn't force involved. If you're not going to be able to pay rent without that job, then that is definitely force.
  - rokhayakebe 11y ago
    Sure you could be forced temporarily, but not indefinitely. If the situation persists, it must be somewhat you allowing it. Note: I am not speaking of extreme cases here. There are definitely situations where some people find themselves in a vicious circle, but I assume that is the minority of cases.
    - s73v3r 11y ago
      It most definitely is not the minority of cases.
pound 11y ago
it's not that simple. For situation when you'll hear from management that they don't see you as engaged as others I guess your answer would be to just leave, it's that simple. Thing is not everyone can easily change jobs. And it's not only a matter of (un)sufficient professional skills. (Less money outside of corp. environment or even number of jobs in particular location (and moving is also not on a plate sometimes)) Enjoy your chance not to participate but it's not really that simple

by cubano 11y ago

rokhayakebe 11y ago

I choose not to participate, and that's that. You know what, that's it. People complain all day long, but in the end it is just a choice. Nobody is being held at gun point and being asked to work long hours. Instead people make financial choices that they must now assume by working under terrible conditions, then they go home to complain about it.

seanp2k2 11y ago
While somewhat true, it's pretty bad that you basically have to just roll over and accept it if you want to own a house in an area not in economic crisis. You can live as frugally as you want, but a half-million-dollar mortgage sucks up a lot of income. I've been seriously considering getting a really really really nice few-year-old RV (one of the 50' bus ones with expanding sides) as my home in order to opt-out of the housing stupidity and apartment renting game. It'd be nice to be able to own my home after just a few years paying the equivalent of what I currently pay for Bay Area rent. I'd still have to pay e.g. National Parks for staying the night, but I'd much much rather have my money go to them vs the slim land owners and apartment places here.
- rokhayakebe 11y ago
  Agreed. As for the second point, I would strongly recommend against an RV as your primary home. It is very likely to negatively affect your social life and could get into the way of a lasting romantic relationship. Perhaps (and this is just a guess) you would be better off employing your skills and time to make more instead of attempting to save more.
s73v3r 11y ago
Just because a literal gun isn't used doesn't mean there isn't force involved. If you're not going to be able to pay rent without that job, then that is definitely force.
- rokhayakebe 11y ago
  Sure you could be forced temporarily, but not indefinitely. If the situation persists, it must be somewhat you allowing it. Note: I am not speaking of extreme cases here. There are definitely situations where some people find themselves in a vicious circle, but I assume that is the minority of cases.
  - s73v3r 11y ago
    It most definitely is not the minority of cases.

pound 11y ago

it's not that simple. For situation when you'll hear from management that they don't see you as engaged as others I guess your answer would be to just leave, it's that simple. Thing is not everyone can easily change jobs. And it's not only a matter of (un)sufficient professional skills. (Less money outside of corp. environment or even number of jobs in particular location (and moving is also not on a plate sometimes)) Enjoy your chance not to participate but it's not really that simple