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It sounds awful that people have to work all of their lives, so they have built up enough social security and pension that they can spend all of this when they'

It sounds awful that people have to work all of their lives, so they have built up enough social security and pension that they can spend all of this when they're too old and weak to actually enjoy it. I retired at 30, not willing to take part in this craziness anymore, to live fully now and only work every now and then when I need money, although I'm also working hard on a solution that eliminates the need for money at all (and not only for myself, but for anyone willing to participate). My motto about the future: If in my life I haven't made such an impact on at least one person that nobody is willing to take care of me when I'm not capable anymore myself, I have either done something wrong or society has become something I'm not willing to live in anymore anyway.

wobbleblob 11y ago
NL is too densely populated to live off the land, and the cost of living is rather high, so I'm not sure how you're doing it. But as long as you're not on welfare, don't have kids in school or use other tax payer funded facilities, I'm totally fine with your choice. It just wouldn't be my choice. What also helps is that I don't hate my job. Maybe you just chose a career that didn't make you happy. Isn't there another kind of job that would make you want to work more?
- mvanvoorden 11y ago
  We're not meant to 'do jobs', so none would make me happy :) The only think that makes me happy is doing what makes me happy, which currently is travelling and finding a place to start a village according to my philosophy and then doing it in such a way that it attracts more people, including professionals in all possible fields. A society built on cooperation instead of competition and where concepts as career and job do not exist and work is only done because it's necessary, not because some virtual concept (like money) makes it necessary just for the sake of keeping this virtual concept in place.
- timwaagh 11y ago
  most jobs are not fun. if it was fun somebody would do it for free. other than that welfare is indeed generous. the state subsidizes rent for those with less money (this and the tax system makes full time employment almost a waste of time). living is not that expensive when the typical lunch is a few slices of bread. a lot of people don't even own a car.
bojan 11y ago
> If in my life I haven't made such an impact on at least one person that nobody is willing to take care of me when I'm not capable anymore myself Have you ever been taking care about an elderly person? Are you aware what an immense task that is? And even if you do everything right and do end up with a person willing to do it for you, they also have to be capable to do it right. That's quite a bet to take.
- mvanvoorden 11y ago
  When I'm old and weak, I don't need any perfect life extending care, I just need TLC until I die. My desire is not to get old and needy, my desire is to live a fulfilling life that is hopefully an example and inspiration for many others.
  - athenot 11y ago
    Don't forget to factor health care. It can get REAL expensive REAL fast when old. Something seemingly benign like a fall ends up having a lot of complications. The vast majority of elders do not want to be needy. They didn't choose to have their bodies betray them and require assistance for everyday life. The TLC part is indeed spot on. It might be a good idea to plan on having many grandkids.
    - mvanvoorden 11y ago
      The whole thing about my life is that I don't factor anything. I live healthy and without plans, what I have now can be gone tomorrow. In my belief system is included the belief that I'm never ill and that everything I need will always come my way exactly when I need it. This works for me as I'm indeed never ill and even while travelling/living completely without money for a while I managed to always find shelter, rides, food and love. I keep challenging my belief system and am never disappointed. It may sound ridiculous to a lot of people, but for me it works and I take full responsibility. In case I get sick I will choose plant based medicine (tested and proven for millenia) anytime over modern medicine (which are a lot of times based on the same plants). In any way, if I'm old and sick and would become dependent on expensive medicine, then I'd rather die and see if there is something on the other side or not. (By the way, to anyone in general: I don't want to debate my life choices or beliefs, they are mine and no one can convince me otherwise, except experience itself. I will answer any question, but I'm not going to defend myself.)

wobbleblob 11y ago

NL is too densely populated to live off the land, and the cost of living is rather high, so I'm not sure how you're doing it. But as long as you're not on welfare, don't have kids in school or use other tax payer funded facilities, I'm totally fine with your choice. It just wouldn't be my choice. What also helps is that I don't hate my job. Maybe you just chose a career that didn't make you happy. Isn't there another kind of job that would make you want to work more?

mvanvoorden 11y ago
We're not meant to 'do jobs', so none would make me happy :) The only think that makes me happy is doing what makes me happy, which currently is travelling and finding a place to start a village according to my philosophy and then doing it in such a way that it attracts more people, including professionals in all possible fields. A society built on cooperation instead of competition and where concepts as career and job do not exist and work is only done because it's necessary, not because some virtual concept (like money) makes it necessary just for the sake of keeping this virtual concept in place.
timwaagh 11y ago
most jobs are not fun. if it was fun somebody would do it for free. other than that welfare is indeed generous. the state subsidizes rent for those with less money (this and the tax system makes full time employment almost a waste of time). living is not that expensive when the typical lunch is a few slices of bread. a lot of people don't even own a car.

bojan 11y ago

> If in my life I haven't made such an impact on at least one person that nobody is willing to take care of me when I'm not capable anymore myself Have you ever been taking care about an elderly person? Are you aware what an immense task that is? And even if you do everything right and do end up with a person willing to do it for you, they also have to be capable to do it right. That's quite a bet to take.

mvanvoorden 11y ago
When I'm old and weak, I don't need any perfect life extending care, I just need TLC until I die. My desire is not to get old and needy, my desire is to live a fulfilling life that is hopefully an example and inspiration for many others.
- athenot 11y ago
  Don't forget to factor health care. It can get REAL expensive REAL fast when old. Something seemingly benign like a fall ends up having a lot of complications. The vast majority of elders do not want to be needy. They didn't choose to have their bodies betray them and require assistance for everyday life. The TLC part is indeed spot on. It might be a good idea to plan on having many grandkids.
  - mvanvoorden 11y ago
    The whole thing about my life is that I don't factor anything. I live healthy and without plans, what I have now can be gone tomorrow. In my belief system is included the belief that I'm never ill and that everything I need will always come my way exactly when I need it. This works for me as I'm indeed never ill and even while travelling/living completely without money for a while I managed to always find shelter, rides, food and love. I keep challenging my belief system and am never disappointed. It may sound ridiculous to a lot of people, but for me it works and I take full responsibility. In case I get sick I will choose plant based medicine (tested and proven for millenia) anytime over modern medicine (which are a lot of times based on the same plants). In any way, if I'm old and sick and would become dependent on expensive medicine, then I'd rather die and see if there is something on the other side or not. (By the way, to anyone in general: I don't want to debate my life choices or beliefs, they are mine and no one can convince me otherwise, except experience itself. I will answer any question, but I'm not going to defend myself.)