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Not a many years back one could easily include an office suite and usual round of apps in 600 MB. What's up with the bloat?

by pvdebbe 11y ago

akhilcacharya 11y ago
Exactly what I was thinking. Did Ubuntu stop shipping their OS's on 700 meg CDs? When did that happen?
- exprL 11y ago
  A couple of years ago.
  - josteink 11y ago
    If that is true, the message on this page is hilarious: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ I quote: "Warning: This image is oversized (which is a bug) and will not fit onto a standard 703MiB CD. However, you may still test it using a DVD, a USB drive, or a virtual machine." I guess it's not a high-priority bug then :)
    - listic 11y ago
      Tangentially, there are still netinstall (mini.iso) and Lubuntu Alternate images (which allow to install a basic command-line system and go from there) with a text-based installer which DO fit on a CD.
dimitar 11y ago
Knoppix in 2004: http://media.lug-marl.de/doc/fsub-edu-knoppix/KNOPPIX/index_en.html http://media.lug-marl.de/doc/fsub-edu-knoppix/KNOPPIX/index_... It had room for "Edutainment", "Emulators", "Toys" and "Development": http://img33.photobucket.com/albums/v98/prodmaster/TONS_OF_APPZ.jpg http://img33.photobucket.com/albums/v98/prodmaster/TONS_OF_A...
72deluxe 11y ago
I am intrigued too - what's taking up all the space? Hires desktop images or something? It would be interesting to see an analysis of the space and how it is used.
- a3n 11y ago
  My (total) guess would just be lots of packages, and the packages themselves have grown larger.
- th0br0 11y ago
  I wouldn't be too surprised if the increase in scripting language usage and maybe even better debugging support were partially at fault here.
  - pyrophane 11y ago
    That seems reasonable. If more default apps depend on a full python/ruby install to operate, that would certainly have an impact on the overall size of the image. Also, mono is used in many desktop apps now.
vanderZwan 11y ago
This made me wonder how Puppy Linux and Damn Small Linux are doing these days: http://puppylinux.org/main/Overview%20and%20Getting%20Started.htm http://puppylinux.org/main/Overview%20and%20Getting%20Starte... http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
kristjankalm 11y ago
support for wider range of hardware? backwards compatibility? the former has certainly improved a lot over the last couple of years

Not a many years back one could easily include an office suite and usual round of apps in 600 MB. What's up with the bloat?

by pvdebbe 11y ago

Not a many years back one could easily include an office suite and usual round of apps in 600 MB. What's up with the bloat?

akhilcacharya 11y ago

Exactly what I was thinking. Did Ubuntu stop shipping their OS's on 700 meg CDs? When did that happen?

exprL 11y ago
A couple of years ago.
- josteink 11y ago
  If that is true, the message on this page is hilarious: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ I quote: "Warning: This image is oversized (which is a bug) and will not fit onto a standard 703MiB CD. However, you may still test it using a DVD, a USB drive, or a virtual machine." I guess it's not a high-priority bug then :)
  - listic 11y ago
    Tangentially, there are still netinstall (mini.iso) and Lubuntu Alternate images (which allow to install a basic command-line system and go from there) with a text-based installer which DO fit on a CD.

dimitar 11y ago

Knoppix in 2004: http://media.lug-marl.de/doc/fsub-edu-knoppix/KNOPPIX/index_en.html http://media.lug-marl.de/doc/fsub-edu-knoppix/KNOPPIX/index_... It had room for "Edutainment", "Emulators", "Toys" and "Development": http://img33.photobucket.com/albums/v98/prodmaster/TONS_OF_APPZ.jpg http://img33.photobucket.com/albums/v98/prodmaster/TONS_OF_A...

72deluxe 11y ago

I am intrigued too - what's taking up all the space? Hires desktop images or something? It would be interesting to see an analysis of the space and how it is used.

a3n 11y ago
My (total) guess would just be lots of packages, and the packages themselves have grown larger.
th0br0 11y ago
I wouldn't be too surprised if the increase in scripting language usage and maybe even better debugging support were partially at fault here.
- pyrophane 11y ago
  That seems reasonable. If more default apps depend on a full python/ruby install to operate, that would certainly have an impact on the overall size of the image. Also, mono is used in many desktop apps now.

vanderZwan 11y ago

This made me wonder how Puppy Linux and Damn Small Linux are doing these days: http://puppylinux.org/main/Overview%20and%20Getting%20Started.htm http://puppylinux.org/main/Overview%20and%20Getting%20Starte... http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/

kristjankalm 11y ago

support for wider range of hardware? backwards compatibility? the former has certainly improved a lot over the last couple of years