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So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish
- web007 11y agoI'm curious - will leaving the country affect eligibility for the ind.ie domain?
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- dnlbyl 11y ago.ie is Ireland's TLD.
- web007 11y agoYes, but does UK citizenship / resident-alien status / locality have anything to do with eligibility for .ie TLD registration? The description of who can use *.ie is slightly vague on Wikipedia, but indicates there has to be a "tie" to Ireland. Moving the company out of the country seems like it might break whatever tie was there if it's based on any of the above criteria. It's already too complicated to me as an Ugly American to differentiate Ireland, Northern Ireland, the UK, (Great) Britain and/or England, I'm hoping someone with more expertise can comment.
- Twirrim 11y agoIreland is not part of the UK, but it is part of Britain. Northern Ireland is part of the UK, but that's a completely different country from Ireland. Being UK born or based gives you no privileges over the .ie domain at all. The best thing to do is to watch this great, quick and witty primer on the whole thing Britain/UK/England thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNu8XDBSn10
- voidiac 11y agoIreland and Great Britain are islands. On these two islands are two sovereign states: Ireland and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (also known as UK). The UK consists of four parts: England, Wales and Scotland on the island of Great Britain and Northern Ireland on the island of Ireland. .ie is the domain of the state Ireland. .uk is the domain of the UK.
- rashkov 11y agoAral Balkan gave a superlative talk a few days ago at re:publica 2015, called Beyond The Camera Panopticon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh8supIUj6c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jh8supIUj6c It's a broad overview the current state of the internet as seen through a cyberpunk, pro- freedom, human rights, and privacy perspective. Aral is a dynamic speaker and delivers it with a delightfully dark and sardonic voice. Really one of the best talks I've seen on the topic.
- dragontamer 11y agoThis was an absolutely disgusting talk. I prefer this style: http://dontbubble.us/ http://dontbubble.us/ http://donttrack.us/ http://donttrack.us/ You know... the kind of talks that don't constantly disparage audience members for being white, or religious... or those who have slightly political views.
- jchrome 11y ago"constantly disparage audience members for being white or religious.." Hyperbole much? He may have been disparaging of religions (once in the talk, mind you) but never white people. The talk's great.
- dragontamer 11y agohttps://youtu.be/jh8supIUj6c?t=16m13s https://youtu.be/jh8supIUj6c?t=16m13s No one but the White man can bring the Internet to you. Dude, I'm not even white and I find it disparaging. The talk is terrible. It is politically charged when it really shouldn't be. The issue is simple: Privacy concerns are not being respected by Facebook or Google. I don't know why he keeps bringing up "White People" conquering nations, or "The White Dude who lives in a Cloud and watches over Us" , or any of the other disparaging remarks. What the hell? How many times does he call Mark Zuckerberg white? Why have any emphasis there at all? If it were a black man in charge of Facebook violating our privacy, it'd be just as bad. Why did he have to bring Mark Zuckerberg's race into this? Its one thing to be against the system, or to expose the system's flaws to the world. But disparaging the audience is not the answer. His harmful speech is going to hurt the cause in the long term.
- eswat 11y agoGood luck! I wonder if similar actions would be considered in Canada if C-51 passes the Supreme Court.
- xupybd 11y agoHave you considered NZ?
- squidsoup 11y agoNew Zealand is part of the 'Five eyes' intelligence network, which also includes Australia, Britain, Canada and the US. I can't imagine things are any better here, despite our government's claim that it does not participate in mass surveillance.
- rdc12 11y agoAnd the evidence that is never "right", but never explained why.
- markdown 11y agoThey are not any better. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/66970595/snowden-documents-nz-spied-on-pacific-island-neighbours http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/66970595/snowden-do... They probably spy on their own citizens via the aussies.
- cobweb 11y agoNice if you can do it. I swore I'd leave if the Tories got in in 2010. But I didn't... I have roots in the UK with family and friends, and they are difficult bonds to break. A few hundred miles from some people already feels like it is too wide a gulf.
- themodelplumber 11y agoInteresting to read--best of luck to Aral. Nationalism seems to be spreading all over Europe, so I can understand why "where to go next" is a tough decision.
- josh64 11y agoWhat are some options including countries outside of Europe? New Zealand used to be an option but I wouldn't consider it an option any more.
- xupybd 11y agoWhy not New Zealand?
- rdc12 11y agoIt is pretty much the exact same story in NZ (surveillance, secret trade deals, privatization, blindly following others into war). I currently want to leave NZ in the next couple of years, less for political reasons and more for wanting to live somewhere culturally different, just to try it. What about Canada, how are they fairing now days?
- necrodawg 11y agoBill C51...CSIS isn't much better than its NZ equivalent, part of the 5 eyes.
- stevep98 11y agoAs a french citizen, he has freedom to live and work wherever he wants in the EU without having to deal with getting a visa. I imagine that plays into it somewhat.
- Mithaldu 11y agoAs a german with not a iota of patriotism, aside from a little pride in the social institutions still maintained here, i'm honestly curious: Where do you see nationalism increasing in germany?
- no1youknowz 11y agoHonestly, good luck to you and bai! I am happy for all those that voted Tory. The country would have been a complete shambles had Labour got in. Do you people have short memories of the last Labour Goverment? There was no money left. Immigration was out of control. There were musings of ditching the pound and having the euro as the currency. Giving more powers to the EU. Complete madness. Labour would not have been more happier if the UK was sold off like Greece. Now under a Tory parliament, the UK has a chance of being great again. Being fiscally responsible and fostering a climate for more jobs for people and better wages. Last I heard the UK was outpacing Germany! It's funny, where will you go. Yeah, no-where IS perfect.
- cobweb 11y agoVery funny.
- madez 11y agoI genuinely laughed while reading it.
- harel 11y agoYou are being downvoted (and probably me to follow) because you said something 'unpopular' in a context of a quite lefty post. To be honest I think the British public voted for the better candidate out of the existing options. They were not presented with stellar choices, so they had to make do. Online privacy, I believe was not why most people voted or did not vote Tory. Yes, apps like Aral's (which good on him, I support it), have a chance of being affected. Maybe. Its just as likely that it won't be. Who knows? The whole world is snooping and listening so it might as well be happening wherever he goes. However, had Labour won you'd see the exact same post created by someone else, leaving the country because Labour had won, stating his/hers reasons and telling the public to be ashamed of themselves. This is how democracy works. half the people will be unhappy.
- dijit 11y agoLabour is increasingly right wing, but you're wrong about Tory's being a good option. Tories now have majority rule in the house of commons for 5 years, which means they can push whatever they want as long as they're aligned without being reigned in. Last time this happened the gap between rich and poor deepened massively, benefits were slashed, our rail system was privatised and Libraries closed- oh, and Miners went on strike due to terrible conditions. 38% is not a Majority vote, in my mind, and leveraging young voters because they "don't know better" and have very little consideration to other issues that do not affect young fit workers is a very American thing to do. honestly, growing up poor has taught me to respect socialist ideals such as public free healthcare and benefits for the unable. - But there was a time in my teen years where even I would have voted conservative because "these issues" wouldn't have affected me as a young worker- but they will one day and people should be quick to recognise that. Tories scare the life out of me, they have a history of being self-serving. :\ and you're right about the choices not being stellar. I'd suggest creating another party- but we have so many!
- stonogo 11y agoI have long been convinced that people throwing meaningless public temper tantrums like this was an American habit. Nice to see people across the pond slam the door too.
- jliptzin 11y agoWhy is this meaningless?
- doseofreality 11y agoDid you read the bit where he moved to the UK from the USA?
- themartorana 11y agoSOPA. Edit: down votes? What exactly is the problem with pointing out a huge victory for "meaningless public temper tantrums?"
- MCRed 11y agoWell, I didn't vote you up or down, I'm replying instead-- but SOPA was passed... when they tried again and called it "net neutrality". Everyone was for it, but did you read the 800 pages?
- zerocrates 11y agoThe actual "rules" part of the Open Internet order is 8 pages long.
- tzs 11y agoAnd the rest, part that is explanations and cites and summaries of the comments received during the commentary period isn't anywhere near 800 pages.
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- tangled 11y agoThe author does have a choice as to whether to stay or leave. (They are actually in a very fortunate position if they can just leave the country.) It's also premature to presume that all of the Tory policies will actually be implemented. An alternative course of action would be to stay and campaign against the referenced policies.
- sekasi 11y agoI'm not sure what your point is here. Yes, he has a choice and that's a good thing. Why do you bring that up? They are making a choice based off fundamental disagreements with policies that the now-ruling party stands for. Of course it's impossible to work out exactly what policy will be implemented, that's not really the point.
- tangled 11y agoNo, the author claims he has no choice: "By voting in a Tory government, you basically did not leave us any other choice." This feels like a dishonest representation of the situation.
- coldtea 11y ago>An alternative course of action would be to stay and campaign against the referenced policies. God forbid people do that and actually try to influence and improve the society they live in. It's all about the individual and their comfort. Their city/country etc either has to be as they want, or they leave. (Some of them even think that this behavior helps, because their privileged decision to leave they think would somehow register as a specific vocal complaint (e.g. because they put it on a blog)).
- mschuster91 11y ago> Our list includes Germany (Berlin, Hamburg?) Seriously? I'm a German and I'm simply surprised no one is out on the streets or that there is no nationwide strike after the revelation that our current government has: - blatantly lied to us wrt NSA "no-spy deal" - the BND tries to conceal just how deep they were up the NSA's butthole - Heckler&Koch tried to get MAD (the military's (counter)-espionage agency) to silence the press over the G36 scandal. As soon as I got some money together, I'm out. That's not what I consider an acceptable environment here, and I honestly don't see any political force trying to change the way things run (or those who try have no serious hope of ever gaining power).
- girvo 11y agoWhere are you going to go, though... all of the western countries seem to have this exact same problem. My home, Australia, is just as secretive if not worse, the UK is bust, and more and more info is coming out showing that no government is immune. It's really disheartening. The worst part is, the Australian government really did foil a possible terrorist attack. Guess where the info on the perp came from? Mass surveillance? Their new metadata retention laws (okay, that's a cheap shot as it hasn't been implemented yet)? Nope. It was a tip-off to the national security hotline.
- ChrisAntaki 11y ago> Nope. It was a tip-off to the national security hotline. In America, for whatever reason, that tip might have been ignored. :( http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/boston-bombing-anniversary/russia-warned-u-s-about-tsarnaev-spelling-issue-let-him-n60836 http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/boston-bombing-anniversary/... http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bombers-phone-call-father/story?id=9457361 http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bombers-phone-call-father/story?id=...
- PythonicAlpha 11y agoSame here in Germany: Police also did foil an attack lately. The information just came from a shop assistant in a hardware store. And what: Again they want get into more surveillance.
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- kirubakaran 11y agoHow about Costa Rica? Fast Internet. Good weather. Beautiful country. Friendly people. And they don't even have a military.
- pepijndevos 11y agoTech community? I don't know anything about politics in Costa Rica but they seem very US-oriented. You can even pay stuff in US dollars.
- fredtp 11y agoYour are good at avoiding the US immigration system why do you help out lelf
- Animats 11y agoGood for him! Fortunately, he can work anywhere in the EU. If the UK leaves the EU, it will be too late for UK subjects. (Under this government, "subjects" is more than a historical reference).
- makeitsuckless 11y agoHis pro-EU argument and the notion of staying in the EU and short listing places like surveillance state Sweden undermines the credibility of most of his arguments. The corrupt, undemocratic super state the EU, inventors of the data retention law and other shit, strives for is a far worse prospect than a UK that has survived Thatcher and will survive Cameron because at least it's still a democracy. The possibility of blowing up the EU is the only good thing that might come out of this UK government. If he wants freedom, democracy and no surveillance state, he should get out of the EU.
- excalq 11y agoWhy not Ireland? You do have a .ie domain, afterall!
- pcmonk 11y agoWelfare cuts, privatization, etc. "widen the already unsustainable systemic inequality that poses an existential threat for our entire species."? That's insanely hyperbolic, and it makes it difficult for me to take the rest of the article seriously. If our species disappears any time soon, it's not going to be because of welfare cuts.
- objclxt 11y agoThat's not what Aral is saying, though. He's saying "unsustainable systemic inequality" poses an existential threat, and that welfare cuts contribute to that. He is clearly not talking about welfare cuts alone.
- youngtaff 11y agoAral uses hyperbole quite a lot, some may agree with his view some may not
- arthur_debert 11y agoSorry. Here's the dissonance: we're building tools (including secure messaging) that are government snooping safe. We care deeply about the privacy and security of our users. And the web page that tells us that has mixed content warnings on ssl. Maybe nitpicking, but security and OPSEC in particular requires insane focus and attention to every little detail. If you can trip up on the small things, I could hardly trust you to get the hard things right.
- ChrisAntaki 11y agoTo be fair, the script is "http://localhost:35729/livereload.js" http://localhost:35729/livereload.js". That shouldn't leak anything to an adversary, if the request doesn't leave the client's computer. Still should be fixed though, so the HTTPS warning can serve its function and call out real threats.
- arthur_debert 11y agoYou're 100% right. It's just that security is so hard to get right. Only (maybe not even) the paranoid survive on that front. All it takes is one tiny detail to screw everything up. Leaving development artifacts on your live server is not very tranquilizing on that front.
- aral 11y agoIndeed :) And thanks for the heads up, Arthur. Was a bit of debugging code left in by mistake. Fixed it when I was skimming these comments yesterday but haven’t had a chance to reply and say thanks until now :)
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- pellmellism 11y agoDolphins are the smart ones....42
- arde 11y agoWhy didn't he mention the Netherlands?
- simondelacourt 11y agoI don't know, but I can't say the Netherlands is that much more progressive when it comes to privacy. The data retention law has been put on hold, but the ruling VVD is looking for ways to get it back. Bits for Freedom is an organisation worth checking out; https://www.bof.nl/category/english/ https://www.bof.nl/category/english/
- tacone 11y ago> It’s quite possible that all this will backfire spectacularly as England shifts ever further right in its xenophobia and that the British will vote to leave the EU. Referendum on EU exit == xenophoby? Seriously?
- necrodawg 11y agoBrits aren't xenophobic at all. Just classist. If you're poor AND and immigrant, that really sucks. If you're a well off immigrant that's fine.
- dash2 11y agoI do think this is a fairly silly example of throwing your toys out of the pram. Yes, we should be concerned about threats to civil liberties and human rights - which exist under governments of every shade (hi, Obama). A citizen's response to this, as opposed to a globe-trotting metic's, is to fight diligently and patiently to minimize harm and make small improvements. The threat to ind.ie's business model seems remote; presumably whether they might be forced to backdoor their products would depend on whether they sell them in the UK, not where the code was written. As for "feeling ashamed of myself" and "being held responsible" by these chaps, who "don't want to hear my excuses" for voting Tory: ha ha ha, sorry stranger but why should I give two hoots?
- sparkzilla 11y agoThe only way you always get the government want is when you are a dictator in North Korea. Instead of throwing a tantrum that has no real result, spread the word about your beliefs in a non-condescending way. You might even get some people to change their minds.
- seesomesense 11y agoYou might have to leave the planet. Every country with the ability has it's citizens under surveillance. Some of my clients are in counter-terrorism roles in my country ( Western, democratic ) and they confirm that they have extensive extra-judicial surveillance abilities.
- mavdi 11y agoI'm pretty sure you broke ~20 laws just there.
- cobweb 11y agoI am not quite sure I understand the ramifications for the indie phone with something like the snoopers charter. I would hope there was no such thing as an indie cloud (all your address book, call history, online searches etc. tucked away in some silo that is ripe for picking), but rather a decentralised system that was impervious to snooping.
- mindcrash 11y agoSpeaking as a friend of Aral (living abroad) here; Indie Cloud _is_ planned to have a completely decentralized storage infrastructure, which makes it impervious to snooping. However, if Aral remains in the UK there's a pretty big, let's say 100%, chance that the Cameron government will force him or anyone else working on Indie in the UK to either place backdoors in the code or the completely optional hosting services (which can be used while you, as the customer, are still in possession and control of your own data). That's why he's leaving -- if he stays he simply cannot build a organization and service portfolio based on the principles Indie has.
- fubvr 11y agoWhy not Greece?
- vilmosi 11y agoWhen your vision is: >> While Apple is a closed, proprietary company, they are not a spyware company like Google. >> Together, we can build a future where we have independent alternatives to the spyware of companies like Google and Facebook. I can just say... good luck and good bye!