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It's stated on official site [1] that it's based on Linux 2.6.33, and it looks like kernel and userspace are compiled for Elbrus ISA and run natively, without x

It's stated on official site [1] that it's based on Linux 2.6.33, and it looks like kernel and userspace are compiled for Elbrus ISA and run natively, without x86 emulation. There are no links to sources on their site, and they don't provide datasheets. To request sources under GPL you need to get binaries first. I live in Russia, and I've never seen Elbrus in real use anywhere. It's not marketed or sold to general public. I think target market is government's security agencies. Of course they get sources anyway for audit and have no incentive to publish them. [1] (russian) http://www.mcst.ru/os_elbrus http://www.mcst.ru/os_elbrus

mjg59 11y ago
> To request sources under GPL you need to get binaries first. This is a common misconception, at least as far as GPLv2 goes. If you're distributing commercially then you have two choices: 1) Include the source when you distribute the binaries (GPLv2 3(a)) 2) Offer the source code on demand to any third party (GPLv2 3(b)) Of course, Elbrus may be distributing under the first of these, but if it's the second then there's no need to obtain binaries in order to make a request for source.
- spatular 11y ago
  Sure. Just in this case variant 2 is very unlikely. I'd say getting sources after buying one or two Elbrus-based servers would be a success for a company not affilated with government. Company I work for once tried to get linux kernel sources for an embedded system produced by another russian company. We got just honest "we have our proprietary module in our linux tree, so we won't be giving you any sources. Still, we are nice enough to recompile it for you with options you need." Ugh...
CUViper 11y ago
Thanks. From there I also found a list of packages: http://www.mcst.ru/opo http://www.mcst.ru/opo The libelpthread caught my eye -- a "version of libpthread, optimized for operation in hard real time" (according to bing translator). And there's a paper in English about this: http://www.mcst.ru/doc/1107/PCS223.pdf http://www.mcst.ru/doc/1107/PCS223.pdf
- spatular 11y ago
  Translation is correct. They also state that in realtime mode it's possible to set up different modes of external interrupt handling, "computation scheduling", "disk i/o" and "some other things", whatever that might mean. Kernel is modified to support realtime operation too.

mjg59 11y ago

> To request sources under GPL you need to get binaries first. This is a common misconception, at least as far as GPLv2 goes. If you're distributing commercially then you have two choices: 1) Include the source when you distribute the binaries (GPLv2 3(a)) 2) Offer the source code on demand to any third party (GPLv2 3(b)) Of course, Elbrus may be distributing under the first of these, but if it's the second then there's no need to obtain binaries in order to make a request for source.

spatular 11y ago
Sure. Just in this case variant 2 is very unlikely. I'd say getting sources after buying one or two Elbrus-based servers would be a success for a company not affilated with government. Company I work for once tried to get linux kernel sources for an embedded system produced by another russian company. We got just honest "we have our proprietary module in our linux tree, so we won't be giving you any sources. Still, we are nice enough to recompile it for you with options you need." Ugh...

CUViper 11y ago

Thanks. From there I also found a list of packages: http://www.mcst.ru/opo http://www.mcst.ru/opo The libelpthread caught my eye -- a "version of libpthread, optimized for operation in hard real time" (according to bing translator). And there's a paper in English about this: http://www.mcst.ru/doc/1107/PCS223.pdf http://www.mcst.ru/doc/1107/PCS223.pdf

spatular 11y ago
Translation is correct. They also state that in realtime mode it's possible to set up different modes of external interrupt handling, "computation scheduling", "disk i/o" and "some other things", whatever that might mean. Kernel is modified to support realtime operation too.