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in all seriousness i would leverage the shit out of that advantage. if I could raise a large A round simply by having sex with a few people, you're Goddammit ri

in all seriousness i would leverage the shit out of that advantage. if I could raise a large A round simply by having sex with a few people, you're Goddammit right I would. jesus, it's hard as crap to get a one on one with VCs, no matter what gender you are. iif i was a hot woman and a VC wanted to buy me a few drinks, pay for a nice dinner, sure let's call it a date, but I'll still pitch you on funding. I'd go on all kinds of dates until I got what I wanted. "if you show up for a fair fight, you have not prepared enough"

gradstudent 11y ago
> in all seriousness i would leverage the shit out of that advantage. if I could raise a large A round simply by having sex with a few people, you're Goddammit right I would. You're thinking as a man living in a patriarchy. In this world a man sleeping with some women to get ahead is more likely to draw admiration than denigration. A woman doing the same thing is likely to be shunned and slut-shamed. She doesn't even need to have a conflict of interest. See also #GamerGate.
- ryanx435 11y ago
  no, I'm thinking as a human being operating in a competitive environmnent. I'm calling bullshit on you telling me how I think. Fuck your patriarchy crap. life is not fair. business is not fair. use what advantages you have to get a head start. that is my thought process.
  - gradstudent 11y ago
    > Fuck your patriarchy crap Thank you for that incisive and articulate bit of commentary. I guess you sure showed me, eh?
    - ryanx435 11y ago
      Guess I did :)
- facepalm 11y ago
  So you are saying women get all these advantages for being attractive, but can not use them because they would be called sluts? Bummer. Also, when/where can men sleep with women to get ahead? And: going on a date with somebody does not imply that you have to have sex with that person.
dantillberg 11y ago
To paraphrase what you just said: "Starting a company is easy for women. All you have to do is to prostitute yourself!"
- ryanx435 11y ago
  no, a good paraphrase would be: dates are a way to get face time with investors. sex us a good way to get funding. I want face time with investors to get funding. therefore, I would go on dates and have sex with funders. cheers :)
rquantz 11y ago
So you're saying the woman who turns down a VC's sexual advances is less deserving of the VC's money than the one who takes him up on it?
- ryanx435 11y ago
  no, I'm saying I would take advantage of their sexualized advances in order to get funding. it has nothing to do with who is more deserving or not. seriously, how did you get that out of my posts? it's all about using whatever competitive advantages you have.
  - rquantz 11y ago
    Seriously, how do you not hear what you're saying? Women object to being asked for sex in exchange for funding because they shouldn't have to do that in order to get funding. Let's game out what you're saying here: * Some women are willing to sleep with VCs in order to get funding, while others aren't * This creates a situation where women who do not sleep with VCs are at a competitive disadvantage * This may be great for VCs (in a super-creepy way), but it is not good for women. Suddenly they are forced to sleep with everyone they want to ask for funding, just to defend against the threat of other women who might do it. * Meanwhile, if they aren't willing to do that, then they get raised eyebrows and suggestive questions from cofounders and early investors, suggesting that if they really cared about the company, they would use whatever competitive advantage they had, wink wink. * The women who did sleep with VCs and got funding would face questions for the rest of their career. They only got funded because they were hot, right? Edit: in fact, even the women who were not willing to sleep with VCs would probably face the same questions, and often do even now. All of this has the effect of reducing women to sex objects and removing their power over their own bodies. This is not some hypothetical scenario, it is largely what the world looked like for women prior to the 1970s, and they are right to guard against its return.
    - hiddenpewpew 11y ago
      You throw women around like it is some umbrella term for every women out there. You are wrong, not all women fall under your umbrella term. Who says some group of women are disallowed in using their bodies for a competitive advantage? What about a women who enjoys having sex with individuals? What if those individuals happen to be VC's? What if by sleeping with those VC's she is allowed capital to fund her startup? She was just enjoying herself, and happened to be doing business at the same time. What right do you have as an individual to impose your viewpoint of calling her a sex object because she is using her body to her advantage? I don't understand this logic. You ridicule women by saying they are sex objects even though they might inherently enjoy the act of sex itself and realize the advantage it brings them in a business environment. And don't be naive, spend some time in San Jose at any Vietnamese Coffee Shop or Vietnamese Bar and talk to the girls working there. They make $200+ an hour or more for using their bodies, and on YC you have individuals and teams grinding away for pennies on the dollar for the man hours spent to get a startup off the ground. Talk to any of those girls working at those coffee shops and the vast majority of them will tell you that they have made a calculated decision to use their bodies for their advantage. Not all of the girls, some girls fall on hard times and have to make due with one of their assets. It's not a fortunate circumstance to be in, but so is being homeless. And guess what? Some of them invest that money into higher education, and end up with advanced degrees. Due to leveraging their bodies. So again, generalizations don't work when talking about gender. So please, get rid of your narrow mentality on how women think and work. You're living in a world of ideals, a nice bubble to be in but not an accurate representation of reality.

gradstudent 11y ago

> in all seriousness i would leverage the shit out of that advantage. if I could raise a large A round simply by having sex with a few people, you're Goddammit right I would. You're thinking as a man living in a patriarchy. In this world a man sleeping with some women to get ahead is more likely to draw admiration than denigration. A woman doing the same thing is likely to be shunned and slut-shamed. She doesn't even need to have a conflict of interest. See also #GamerGate.

ryanx435 11y ago
no, I'm thinking as a human being operating in a competitive environmnent. I'm calling bullshit on you telling me how I think. Fuck your patriarchy crap. life is not fair. business is not fair. use what advantages you have to get a head start. that is my thought process.
- gradstudent 11y ago
  > Fuck your patriarchy crap Thank you for that incisive and articulate bit of commentary. I guess you sure showed me, eh?
  - ryanx435 11y ago
    Guess I did :)
facepalm 11y ago
So you are saying women get all these advantages for being attractive, but can not use them because they would be called sluts? Bummer. Also, when/where can men sleep with women to get ahead? And: going on a date with somebody does not imply that you have to have sex with that person.

dantillberg 11y ago

To paraphrase what you just said: "Starting a company is easy for women. All you have to do is to prostitute yourself!"

ryanx435 11y ago
no, a good paraphrase would be: dates are a way to get face time with investors. sex us a good way to get funding. I want face time with investors to get funding. therefore, I would go on dates and have sex with funders. cheers :)

rquantz 11y ago

So you're saying the woman who turns down a VC's sexual advances is less deserving of the VC's money than the one who takes him up on it?

ryanx435 11y ago
no, I'm saying I would take advantage of their sexualized advances in order to get funding. it has nothing to do with who is more deserving or not. seriously, how did you get that out of my posts? it's all about using whatever competitive advantages you have.
- rquantz 11y ago
  Seriously, how do you not hear what you're saying? Women object to being asked for sex in exchange for funding because they shouldn't have to do that in order to get funding. Let's game out what you're saying here: * Some women are willing to sleep with VCs in order to get funding, while others aren't * This creates a situation where women who do not sleep with VCs are at a competitive disadvantage * This may be great for VCs (in a super-creepy way), but it is not good for women. Suddenly they are forced to sleep with everyone they want to ask for funding, just to defend against the threat of other women who might do it. * Meanwhile, if they aren't willing to do that, then they get raised eyebrows and suggestive questions from cofounders and early investors, suggesting that if they really cared about the company, they would use whatever competitive advantage they had, wink wink. * The women who did sleep with VCs and got funding would face questions for the rest of their career. They only got funded because they were hot, right? Edit: in fact, even the women who were not willing to sleep with VCs would probably face the same questions, and often do even now. All of this has the effect of reducing women to sex objects and removing their power over their own bodies. This is not some hypothetical scenario, it is largely what the world looked like for women prior to the 1970s, and they are right to guard against its return.
  - hiddenpewpew 11y ago
    You throw women around like it is some umbrella term for every women out there. You are wrong, not all women fall under your umbrella term. Who says some group of women are disallowed in using their bodies for a competitive advantage? What about a women who enjoys having sex with individuals? What if those individuals happen to be VC's? What if by sleeping with those VC's she is allowed capital to fund her startup? She was just enjoying herself, and happened to be doing business at the same time. What right do you have as an individual to impose your viewpoint of calling her a sex object because she is using her body to her advantage? I don't understand this logic. You ridicule women by saying they are sex objects even though they might inherently enjoy the act of sex itself and realize the advantage it brings them in a business environment. And don't be naive, spend some time in San Jose at any Vietnamese Coffee Shop or Vietnamese Bar and talk to the girls working there. They make $200+ an hour or more for using their bodies, and on YC you have individuals and teams grinding away for pennies on the dollar for the man hours spent to get a startup off the ground. Talk to any of those girls working at those coffee shops and the vast majority of them will tell you that they have made a calculated decision to use their bodies for their advantage. Not all of the girls, some girls fall on hard times and have to make due with one of their assets. It's not a fortunate circumstance to be in, but so is being homeless. And guess what? Some of them invest that money into higher education, and end up with advanced degrees. Due to leveraging their bodies. So again, generalizations don't work when talking about gender. So please, get rid of your narrow mentality on how women think and work. You're living in a world of ideals, a nice bubble to be in but not an accurate representation of reality.