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There are two different concepts at play here. The first is the notion of optimization by randomness and the second is evolution by natural selection. For the
by Retra 12y ago
There are two different concepts at play here. The first is the notion of optimization by randomness and the second is evolution by natural selection.
For the first issue, there are is a simple way of seeing what I'm talking about; If you are trying to optimize an algorithm for given results, there are three broad techniques which I will categorize for simplicity as 'stupid', 'random', and 'smart.'
For instance, if I wanted to sort a deck of cards, I could just shuffle it until I had a sorted deck. That's 'random.' This is not the worst you can do, and only if you do worse can random be an improvement. To do worse, you have to actively prevent the deck from becoming sorted. (For example, by using an algorithm that guarantees a 1-3-2 order at the start.) Randomness is not optimization, and stupidity is optimization away from the goal. Smart is convergence on a goal.
However, evolution is not a goal directed process. Those who exist are simply those who lived long enough in the environments they happened find themselves. Randomness doesn't improve any organism or any feature of any organism: it only improves diversity, which allows for more niches to be filled. I mean, maybe this increases the availability of food or the amount of space per organism or something, but it doesn't actually improve organisms. It improves the environment by making it less hostile to life in the abstract.
So it has nothing to do with hill climbing or optimization per se.
- zck 12y agoI think we're talking past each other. I'm not really sure what claim I made you're responding to. I was responding to this claim you made, with the context of "evolution": > ...it is practically impossible to improve through random effects. It's true that evolution is not aimed at a specific target. I made that point in my comment. >Randomness doesn't improve any organism or any feature of any organism: it only improves diversity... Here is a list of examples of beneficial mutations: http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoMutations.html http://www.gate.net/~rwms/EvoMutations.html It includes things like "adaption to high and low temperatures" and "12% (3 out of 26) random mutations in a strain of bacteria improved fitness in a particular environment." The claim is that random mutations can occur -- at some rate, low though it may be -- and are more likely to be kept through natural selection.
- Retra 12y agoYou're probably right. Maybe I was just stretching to bring up a point that might be irrelevant.