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Durability, not strength. Asphalt is very durable and it fails in predictable ways, it's difficult to design glass that fails gracefully. Yes, it's a surmount

by hoopd 11y ago

Durability, not strength. Asphalt is very durable and it fails in predictable ways, it's difficult to design glass that fails gracefully. Yes, it's a surmountable engineering challenge but this project has more than it's fair share of things that fall in the "technically not impossible" or "we'll figure it out later" categories.

Retric 11y ago
Asphalt is cheap, but not really that durable. 3-5 years in you generally see some cracking and should start matence. 5-7 years you generally need some patches and 15-20 you need to replace the surface. Though that's assuming good conditions and reasonable traffic patterns in some areas you need to resurface within 10 years. Concrete on the other hand generally lasts twice as long. From a material perspective glass is much closer to concrete than asphalt. Ex: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_brick http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_brick the point being glass withstands sunlight and the elements without issue, it's being driven on that's going to be an issue. And luckily that kind of stress is much easer to simulate in a lab vs weathering. PS: That or ice which can handle heavy loads with little issue.
- hoopd 11y ago
  Point granted, we use asphalt because it's a cheap and I should know better. I would still expect it to last longer than wildly complicated solar panel/computer/light displays that have many more modes of failure. For this to work you have to do several things to the glass at the same time, none of which come easy: make it strong, make it hard (probably need to get to 8 or 9 on Moh's hardness scale), make it tough, and have it grip rubber as well as asphalt does even when it's wet. Considering scratch resistant and grippy compete with eachother this is not looking hopeful.
  - Retric 11y ago
    Yea, I don't think this is a good idea yet. However, train tracks might be a good option if you could get it durable enough but where having traction issues. The ~1m distance between rails is generally just wasted space and the US has ~400,000 miles of rail if say 20% efficiency over 1/2 of that distance that's ~320GWh per day which is a fair bit of power. The advantage being rail lines need to trainsport electricity for electric trains, so you get dual use from those power lines.
    - hoopd 11y ago
      That's still bundling something fragile with infrastructure that carries heavy machinery. Transporting electricity is a solved problem, we can put a solar farm in the middle of nowhere with current technology. And if we're looking for land that's already owned we could put solar cells underneath long range transmission lines 1000x easier than we could embed them in roads or in train tracks.

by hoopd 11y ago

Retric 11y ago

Asphalt is cheap, but not really that durable. 3-5 years in you generally see some cracking and should start matence. 5-7 years you generally need some patches and 15-20 you need to replace the surface. Though that's assuming good conditions and reasonable traffic patterns in some areas you need to resurface within 10 years. Concrete on the other hand generally lasts twice as long. From a material perspective glass is much closer to concrete than asphalt. Ex: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_brick http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_brick the point being glass withstands sunlight and the elements without issue, it's being driven on that's going to be an issue. And luckily that kind of stress is much easer to simulate in a lab vs weathering. PS: That or ice which can handle heavy loads with little issue.

hoopd 11y ago
Point granted, we use asphalt because it's a cheap and I should know better. I would still expect it to last longer than wildly complicated solar panel/computer/light displays that have many more modes of failure. For this to work you have to do several things to the glass at the same time, none of which come easy: make it strong, make it hard (probably need to get to 8 or 9 on Moh's hardness scale), make it tough, and have it grip rubber as well as asphalt does even when it's wet. Considering scratch resistant and grippy compete with eachother this is not looking hopeful.
- Retric 11y ago
  Yea, I don't think this is a good idea yet. However, train tracks might be a good option if you could get it durable enough but where having traction issues. The ~1m distance between rails is generally just wasted space and the US has ~400,000 miles of rail if say 20% efficiency over 1/2 of that distance that's ~320GWh per day which is a fair bit of power. The advantage being rail lines need to trainsport electricity for electric trains, so you get dual use from those power lines.
  - hoopd 11y ago
    That's still bundling something fragile with infrastructure that carries heavy machinery. Transporting electricity is a solved problem, we can put a solar farm in the middle of nowhere with current technology. And if we're looking for land that's already owned we could put solar cells underneath long range transmission lines 1000x easier than we could embed them in roads or in train tracks.