> Switching to the Debian boxes always feels like stepping back 2yrs in a time machine, which has a high cost for a person who likes to keep up with progress in

> Switching to the Debian boxes always feels like stepping back 2yrs in a time machine, which has a high cost for a person who likes to keep up with progress in software development. (emphasis mine) It still feels like we're disagreeing because we have a different idea of what stable software is, yours is keeping up with progress in software development and mine is using software that's been tried and tested by many others first. If I may suggest, you may enjoy the Unstable or Testing Debian distributions the next time you're giving it a go, if you can get past the admittedly off-putting names. But further, are you suggesting that you can't keep up with progress in software development from a Debian Stable box? With apt-pinning, backports, and having the ability compile from source into .deb files, I have to disagree with you on this.