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Similar feelings here, this "it kinda works"-feeling was the reason why I switched to Linux in the first place. What are your plans? Where do you go when you 'l

Similar feelings here, this "it kinda works"-feeling was the reason why I switched to Linux in the first place. What are your plans? Where do you go when you 'leave'?

Jach 12y ago
To a distro that doesn't force things down the throats of its users in the same degree Ubuntu et al. do. e.g. Gentoo. (You can even run a FreeBSD kernel in Gentoo if you want.) That isn't to say it's been all rosy in Gentoo-land. It was an effort to keep Gnome3 off my system, to keep the existing Gnome2 versions of everything until MATE (and the Gentoo community packaging) was ready enough to replace Gnome2. But my system is happily free of Gnome3, systemd, and pulseaudio. And because Gentoo doesn't really have release versions, I can keep my other packages up to date indefinitely.
- digi_owl 12y ago
  I do wonder how much effort and forks will be required to keep Gentoo, well, Gentoo going forwards, as more and more stuff either is either lumped into Systemd or depends on/assumes its presence. One can already see how you at least have to keep the libsystemd package installed on Debian's latest, even if you use something other than systemd as the init etc, or else apt throws a tantrum. http://ewontfix.com/15/ http://ewontfix.com/15/ may be the most interesting read in all this. Notice how everything but dbus and the systemd lib have various issues. And if kdbus hits the kernel, systemd is poised to position itself as the mediator between (legacy) dbus and kdbus. All in all there is some serious "one true way"-ism coming out of the systemd camp.
badsock 12y ago
I switched all my servers and desktops to FreeBSD. It's like going back in time in many, many good ways (commandline/text-config focus, less magic, etc.), and one bad way (HW support).
- fapjacks 12y ago
  One more for FreeBSD, and the hardware support issues are a lot less frustrating than for example what I remember of Linux in the early part of the last decade. I expect with the renewed interest in FreeBSD because of systemd, that we'll see things improve greatly overall (for example the million dollar donation to the FreeBSD Foundation).
- Avernar 12y ago
  I'm also planning on switching my two Linux boxes to FreeBSD.

Similar feelings here, this "it kinda works"-feeling was the reason why I switched to Linux in the first place. What are your plans? Where do you go when you 'leave'?

Jach 12y ago

To a distro that doesn't force things down the throats of its users in the same degree Ubuntu et al. do. e.g. Gentoo. (You can even run a FreeBSD kernel in Gentoo if you want.) That isn't to say it's been all rosy in Gentoo-land. It was an effort to keep Gnome3 off my system, to keep the existing Gnome2 versions of everything until MATE (and the Gentoo community packaging) was ready enough to replace Gnome2. But my system is happily free of Gnome3, systemd, and pulseaudio. And because Gentoo doesn't really have release versions, I can keep my other packages up to date indefinitely.

digi_owl 12y ago
I do wonder how much effort and forks will be required to keep Gentoo, well, Gentoo going forwards, as more and more stuff either is either lumped into Systemd or depends on/assumes its presence. One can already see how you at least have to keep the libsystemd package installed on Debian's latest, even if you use something other than systemd as the init etc, or else apt throws a tantrum. http://ewontfix.com/15/ http://ewontfix.com/15/ may be the most interesting read in all this. Notice how everything but dbus and the systemd lib have various issues. And if kdbus hits the kernel, systemd is poised to position itself as the mediator between (legacy) dbus and kdbus. All in all there is some serious "one true way"-ism coming out of the systemd camp.

badsock 12y ago

I switched all my servers and desktops to FreeBSD. It's like going back in time in many, many good ways (commandline/text-config focus, less magic, etc.), and one bad way (HW support).

fapjacks 12y ago
One more for FreeBSD, and the hardware support issues are a lot less frustrating than for example what I remember of Linux in the early part of the last decade. I expect with the renewed interest in FreeBSD because of systemd, that we'll see things improve greatly overall (for example the million dollar donation to the FreeBSD Foundation).
Avernar 12y ago
I'm also planning on switching my two Linux boxes to FreeBSD.