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In all honesty, the decision was taken by the project sponsor and is final. We built this https://github.com/savoirfairelinux/opendht https://github.com/savoirf

by Elv13 11y ago

In all honesty, the decision was taken by the project sponsor and is final. We built this https://github.com/savoirfairelinux/opendht https://github.com/savoirfairelinux/opendht and it is already used by some other projects distributed outside of Savoir-faire Linux. So far things look well for OpenDHT so I don't think Savoir-faire Linux will change its mind of the decision at this point. I know you think this is a duplicated effort, but it might not be as true as you think. I respect and understand your frustration, but the decision is final. However, do you have a link about the Tox 4chan DOS? A quick Google search failed to turn interesting results.

madez 11y ago
the decision is final I think here is a misunderstanding. First, if you feel offended, then please note that I didn't mean to. Second, what decision are you talking about? You stated that the technology used by Ring to combat unwanted communication is still not finalized. I asked you How about talking with them about the problem to join efforts? I'm not asking you to throw away all what you've done in the area of DHT-based p2p communication and to start to use Tox. However, how about talking to them, since they fought the same battle? Maybe they have valuable ideas or experiences. Or you might help them with your ideas. However, do you have a link about the Tox 4chan DOS? I have no interesting link available. I'd suggest to take a look at their nospam ID's or to ask them. On a more general note, I think defining some decision as final to silence criticism is deeply harmful. You might want to consider that. Thank you for your information.
- Elv13 11y ago
  I am sorry if my message caused misunderstanding. In no way am I trying to silence criticism. You must understand, we had this discussion last year and choose to go our way willingly. We are aware Tox exist and everything. While you may see this as NiH syndrome (and you may be partially right), we chose to write a base DHT library, of which few exist open source one exist on the market right now, and go from there. We have been working for quite some time on this are are happy with the current state of affair. It is just that it is getting late and this discussion start to feel like "Microsoft should use WebKit". In no way I wish to sound offending or anything. It is simply that in the end, we are way too far down the path we willingly took to start re-architecturing everything. I agree that we share some objective with Tox. I also think that competition is a good thing. While communication network are sometime seen as natural monopolies, but it has been proved over and over again that they are not.
  - madez 11y ago
    I really appreciate your honesty. this discussion start to feel like "Microsoft should use WebKit". I'm not asking you to use Tox, but to look at what they are doing and to talk to them. Microsoft is for sure looking at what WebKit is doing. Yes, competition is a good thing. But you should also learn from your competition, right? Thank you.

by Elv13 11y ago

madez 11y ago

the decision is final I think here is a misunderstanding. First, if you feel offended, then please note that I didn't mean to. Second, what decision are you talking about? You stated that the technology used by Ring to combat unwanted communication is still not finalized. I asked you How about talking with them about the problem to join efforts? I'm not asking you to throw away all what you've done in the area of DHT-based p2p communication and to start to use Tox. However, how about talking to them, since they fought the same battle? Maybe they have valuable ideas or experiences. Or you might help them with your ideas. However, do you have a link about the Tox 4chan DOS? I have no interesting link available. I'd suggest to take a look at their nospam ID's or to ask them. On a more general note, I think defining some decision as final to silence criticism is deeply harmful. You might want to consider that. Thank you for your information.

Elv13 11y ago
I am sorry if my message caused misunderstanding. In no way am I trying to silence criticism. You must understand, we had this discussion last year and choose to go our way willingly. We are aware Tox exist and everything. While you may see this as NiH syndrome (and you may be partially right), we chose to write a base DHT library, of which few exist open source one exist on the market right now, and go from there. We have been working for quite some time on this are are happy with the current state of affair. It is just that it is getting late and this discussion start to feel like "Microsoft should use WebKit". In no way I wish to sound offending or anything. It is simply that in the end, we are way too far down the path we willingly took to start re-architecturing everything. I agree that we share some objective with Tox. I also think that competition is a good thing. While communication network are sometime seen as natural monopolies, but it has been proved over and over again that they are not.
- madez 11y ago
  I really appreciate your honesty. this discussion start to feel like "Microsoft should use WebKit". I'm not asking you to use Tox, but to look at what they are doing and to talk to them. Microsoft is for sure looking at what WebKit is doing. Yes, competition is a good thing. But you should also learn from your competition, right? Thank you.